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  • Everything is politics. Bringing peace to two warring clans is certainly politics.


    Hayley Margules, historian and former OPP writer
    Chronicles of Darkness: Dark Eras and Companion, Beast: The Primordial Ready-Made Characters, and Dark Ages: Tome of Secrets

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    • Here we get into what it is one of the greatest things about roleplaying games, as well as one of the core issues of introducing different topics and themes to the genre.

      Roleplaying games create simulations and hypotheticals whose boundaries are determined by solely by their participants. The only things which are true are the things we say are true and the things we say are true are objectively and irreproachably so.

      Some people want to use this tool for escapism only, and indeed they are capable of constructing worlds wherein certain issues simply do not exist. Others want to use this tool for examining or entertaining different scenarios reflective of issues that exist outside of the game world, and construct their own worlds accordingly. This also isn't a binary division. Sometimes I want to bash orcs and not have to think about why, because in that world its objective truths are arranged such that questioning why is irrelevant because the answer is the one you already know. Other times I want to ask why we're bashing orcs, because that world is deliberately tailored to incorporate themes, historical context, cultural influences, and other information that makes asking that question rewarding.

      There is room for both of these things in the roleplaying hobby, because as mentioned previous the boundaries of what it can contain are determined solely by us. That doesn't stop people from questioning what they consider "appropriate" for it to contain though, because our own vision of the roleplaying really only contains a small fragment of its possibilities.

      I could go on for pages about this, so I'm going to stop myself short.

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      • I agree with you Caitiff Primogen about neither being bad nor necessarily mutually exclusive. There's also the fact that exploring various situations, topics, and themes can also be escapism. A world in which all of the terrible things about our reality are real and need to be explored (and, for that matter, can be made better, at a much faster rate and with less tragedy.)

        Many people, myself included, play WoD and CofD from the perspective of 'making things better in a world of darkness.' For some, that is the ultimate escapism - because you can actually fix something that in reality might take generations of organization, and so on.

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        • Originally posted by RomulusGloriosus View Post
          Many people, myself included, play WoD and CofD from the perspective of 'making things better in a world of darkness.' For some, that is the ultimate escapism - because you can actually fix something that in reality might take generations of organization, and so on.
          Whereas I tend to focus more on WoD and CofD as places of human darkness where there is neither closure nor meaning.

          And that's fine. We can have it both ways.

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          • Originally posted by Caitiff Primogen View Post
            Other times I want to ask why we're bashing orcs, because that world is deliberately tailored to incorporate themes, historical context, cultural influences, and other information that makes asking that question rewarding.
            This, as a side note, is a big part of why I so adore the idea of a CofD fantasy shard. Even if I doubt I'll ever get around to running one, the thought is just delightful to me.


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            • Originally posted by Caitiff Primogen View Post
              Some people want to use this tool for escapism only, and indeed they are capable of constructing worlds wherein certain issues simply do not exist. Others want to use this tool for examining or entertaining different scenarios reflective of issues that exist outside of the game world, and construct their own worlds accordingly. This also isn't a binary division. Sometimes I want to bash orcs and not have to think about why, because in that world its objective truths are arranged such that questioning why is irrelevant because the answer is the one you already know. Other times I want to ask why we're bashing orcs, because that world is deliberately tailored to incorporate themes, historical context, cultural influences, and other information that makes asking that question rewarding.

              There is room for both of these things in the roleplaying hobby, because as mentioned previous the boundaries of what it can contain are determined solely by us. That doesn't stop people from questioning what they consider "appropriate" for it to contain though, because our own vision of the roleplaying really only contains a small fragment of its possibilities.
              The problem, as I see it, is not that these two ideas are in conflict, but that people have conflicting ideas about which worlds' "objective truths" allow for the purely escapist fantasy you describe.

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              • Originally posted by MachineIV View Post
                And now, Zak's taken to calling his victims "other James Deens." Which, if you're vaguely familiar, James Deen is a porn actor who has now been outed as a rapist by numerous women.

                He's literally calling his victims rapists.
                I looked into the James Deen situation heavily, he was no rapist, his girlfriend ex Stoya, learned that same day she made her accusation that James Deen was moving in with his new girlfriend Chantal Preston. James Deen has texts and stuff that shows she was obsessed with him, called him her heroine, ect..., just seriously scary stuff.

                and most of the accusations against James Deen weren't rape, they were that he was an asshole, like Bony Rotten was pissed because he made fun of her tattooes before sex with her (which I admit is ignorant, but she has not said anything about rape, just that he was a jerk, which the MSM has tossed onto the pile of accusations of rape, which made no sense and they did that with a bunch of stuff.

                there is so much information out there if you willing to do the research, but the MSM really wasn't willing to do any of the hard work an do even basic research into the matter, that fell to ordinary people.

                So using this poor victimized man as an insult to others really makes me mad. The more I hear about Zak, the more I find I don't like him.

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                • Originally posted by Omegaphallic View Post
                  and most of the accusations against James Deen weren't rape,
                  But some are, and they aren't just 'jealous girlfriends.'

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                  • Somehow, when I saw a new post on this thread, I thought it would be related to a recent FB post, not someone shaming rape survivors.


                    Hayley Margules, historian and former OPP writer
                    Chronicles of Darkness: Dark Eras and Companion, Beast: The Primordial Ready-Made Characters, and Dark Ages: Tome of Secrets

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