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    So in light of everything going on in the US, I have been revisiting my Deadlands collection. Now, I have to say, I love the game, but being read through a modern lens man does it have problems!
    The main bone of contention I have with it is the presentation of the CSA. A rebellion literally started so people could continue to enjoy the benefits of slavery, and with some magical hand waving the CSA is suddenly zero slaves. Not to mention that even though the war dragged on until 1876 the Confederacy includes Kentucky and Missouri. I don't care how many undead soldiers pop up, after Vicksburg and Gettysburg the war was lost!

    Anyway, Deadlands apparently needs to be divorced from its alternate history, imo.

    Any other thoughts on Deadlands, or any other problematic RPGs?

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    See also Shadowrun's iffy treatment of both the South and of... pretty much everything to do with race, really.


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      Eclipse Phase is my favorite sci-fi RPG, hands down. But its authors believe in anarchy, and it shows - particularly with the Jovians, a space-state that combines the worst aspects of the Catholic Church, the United States' military-industrial complex, and a South American junta.

      That's not an exaggeration. Those are literally the factions that combined to build a series of space stations surrounding Jupiter.


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        Originally posted by semicasual View Post
        Eclipse Phase is my favorite sci-fi RPG, hands down. But its authors believe in anarchy, and it shows - particularly with the Jovians, a space-state that combines the worst aspects of the Catholic Church, the United States' military-industrial complex, and a South American junta.

        That's not an exaggeration. Those are literally the factions that combined to build a series of space stations surrounding Jupiter.
        I wrote a gigantic post that the forums ate, but basically: I struggle to enjoy EP any more because of how the anarchists are painted as completely flawless and win against overwhelming odds constantly while every single other faction is either overtly evil or secretly corrupt, even the socialist democracy that provides for everyone under it and has pretty fucking close to a perfect system in my eyes. The Jovians and the Planetary Consortium are paper-thin antagonists who resemble nothing so much as old propaganda rather than anything coherent in the setting, even as antagonists. And they cut the Ultimates in the new edition!


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          Originally posted by atamajakki View Post
          See also Shadowrun's iffy treatment of both the South and of... pretty much everything to do with race, really.
          We talking before, during, or after the Dirty Tricks sourcebook for SR4?

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            Originally posted by ChewyGranola View Post
            Anyway, Deadlands apparently needs to be divorced from its alternate history, imo.
            Sorry for the Necromancy, but i just found this and am a massive Deadlands guy.

            Wondering what you meant by this exactly? Last time i tried to talk about the alternate history on the Deadlands forums people got way too heated and the thread got closed and deleted...

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