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  • #46
    Originally posted by Daredevil View Post

    Wow. This is chilling on many levels. I hope you are just trolling.
    No I’m not. Climate change denial is harmful to every living thing on earth and should their for be treated as a Crime against humanity.

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    • #47
      Lol ok buddy, Orwell much?


      You've been playing around the magic that is black
      But all the powerful magical mysteries never gave a single thing back

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      • #48
        Not everyone’s entitled to their opinions if their options are inherently harmful which climate change denial defently is.

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        • #49
          Again, while I'm not advocating as extreme a position as Konrad here:

          Look at how we handled the tobacco industry. Smoking is still one of the leading killers in the USA (obviously how bad it is depends on your metrics), so we restrict what you're' allowed to say about tobacco projects and how you say it to a huge degree.

          Consider that there are a lot of parallels between the way the tobacco industry tried to cover up how dangerous their products are, and how much certain industries have been doing the same regarding covering up their knowledge of how bad climate change can get.

          The world didn't fall into an Orwellian dystopian because of all the efforts to kill the tobacco industry by ceasing or liming speech that promotes its products It's not going to if we get tough on climate denial speech too..

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          • #50
            Unlike tobacco products, climate change isn't something you can stick a warning label on, sure you could require diesel trucks have a sticker of a sad little polar bear on a melting iceberg but people would just take that as a badge of honor.


            You've been playing around the magic that is black
            But all the powerful magical mysteries never gave a single thing back

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Dwight View Post
              Unlike tobacco products, climate change isn't something you can stick a warning label on, sure you could require diesel trucks have a sticker of a sad little polar bear on a melting iceberg but people would just take that as a badge of honor.
              But you can always point to information saying that it's 'under debate' or 'lying' or 'inconclusive' and then say that it's complete bullshit.

              Climate isn't under debate. It isn't inconclusive. There's no argument amongst scientists for the data.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Dwight View Post
                Unlike tobacco products, climate change isn't something you can stick a warning label on, sure you could require diesel trucks have a sticker of a sad little polar bear on a melting iceberg but people would just take that as a badge of honor.
                Yeah but this is just an example of how the issue is politicized. Tobacco companies knew they were pandering poison, and for decades were as hindering as possible towards any attempt to prove this. And groups like the oil industries did the same. Scientists and people who came down with health issues as a direct result of their products were silenced or smeared or both, while they poured more and more money to promote the idea that people were some sort of "real man" or rebel for buying their stuff, just like the oil industries have been doing with the idea of electric cars and going green.

                While I don't agree with a lot of what Konradleijon says on the forum, he's not been pumping billions of dollars into advertising and hiring people to denounce any other viewpoint so as to form a cultural landscape where "lol lets kill the planet" is a badge of honor.

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                • #53
                  There are also things like putting stronger regulations on what fossil fuel companies can advertise, and taxing the hell out of fossil fuel companies like we do to cigarettes; instead of subsidizing them.

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