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  • Originally posted by Accelerator View Post
    Its also better than anything else we have.
    You know, the more and capitalism murders the planetary ecosystem, then encourages people to deny that it is doing so to in order to extract more wealth, the more I question if this is really the best system we have. Willow is right. We are hurtling towards extinction. We need a better system and we need people to allow us to question the validity of our current systems.


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    • Originally posted by Second Chances View Post
      You know, the more and capitalism murders the planetary ecosystem, then encourages people to deny that it is doing so to in order to extract more wealth, the more I question if this is really the best system we have. Willow is right. We are hurtling towards extinction. We need a better system and we need people to allow us to question the validity of our current systems.
      Very well.

      Propose a better economic system.

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      • Beyond that "propose a better system." is a cop out, an unfair question, besides the point and a disservice to the discussion. I agree with Second Chances. We're hurtling towards extinction while some people that are not the direct beneficiaries of the current system are going. "Whoa now hold on." People don't need to be experts in socio-economic and political history or theory to see what's happened and happening and go, "This is fucked."

        It obviously isn't why all the time. But the majority of the time, when people ask questions like that. They're just trying to quiet someone up.

        At this point, it's not even a matter of political persuasion anymore. Our current dominant systems ARE killing us. And it's not something where you can just hide from it for a time. People can label me a labour loving pinko for all I care but it's not a matter of when capitalism is ending(or we end with it) but when and what replaces it.
        Last edited by TyrannicalRabbit; 04-04-2019, 12:38 AM.


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        • Originally posted by Accelerator View Post
          Very well.

          Propose a better economic system.
          Personally, I'm quite happy living a country with a mixed economy, so already that seems better to me that a straight up market system. Just saying.

          Also, what TR said. Also also, this is the exact type of response that I was saying frustrated me in my first post, so unless your goal is to frustrate me more (which is very against the spirit of the thread), please just don't right now.


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          • Originally posted by Accelerator View Post
            Very well.

            Propose a better economic system.
            Communism.


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            • Originally posted by Second Chances View Post
              Personally, I'm quite happy living a country with a mixed economy, so already that seems better to me that a straight up market system. Just saying.

              Also, what TR said. Also also, this is the exact type of response that I was saying frustrated me in my first post, so unless your goal is to frustrate me more (which is very against the spirit of the thread), please just don't right now.
              Wait wait wait.

              I thought mixed markets are capitalism.

              What version fo capitalism are you guys taking about?

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              • Originally posted by Charlaquin View Post

                Communism.
                Looking at its track record and everything? No.

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                • Originally posted by Accelerator View Post
                  Looking at its track record and everything? No.
                  Frankly, Capitalism’s track record isn’t any better. And I’d argue that most of the issues people associate with communism are really issues with the governments of communist nations. Conversely, most of the issues with capitalism are with capitalism as an economic system.
                  Last edited by Charlaquin; 04-04-2019, 12:54 AM.


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                  • Originally posted by Accelerator View Post

                    Wait wait wait.

                    I thought mixed markets are capitalism.

                    What version fo capitalism are you guys taking about?
                    A mixed economy combines aspects of market (capitalist) and command (communist/socialist) economies. So from Obi-Won Kenobi's "a certain point of view" you're not wrong. But from another point of view, there are people who consider this to be flat out USSR talk. Like the current Republican Party in the States, which is doing its damnedest to dismantle any form of progress stateside. Now the problems I am frustrated about in particular, naming us leaping off of the edge of the ecological cliff are still an issue in mixed economies because we make tax and environmental concessions to companies to attract business, which keeps up moving closer to the precipice.

                    And for the record, I also think that democratic socialism has its advantages. Like aformentioned "strong enough government to keep the corporations in check." In my ideal world, we'd be able to flip between socialism and capitalism depending on what the country (and the world) need at the time. But such a dynamic system to would also have lots of places where the gears could get jammed and it would actually require people to be able to think about the big picture, which is exceedingly difficult for anyone (myself included) to do.

                    Sigh... politics, economics, and policy are extremely complicated and we are limited by both ideology and biology. I just want us to find a third option before we extinguish the only know example of the universe being sentient and self-aware. We are beautiful and complex, so full of hope and light. I want us to still be here in a thousand years.



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                    • Originally posted by Charlaquin View Post

                      Communism.
                      Communism. 👍

                      (People who would support Stalinist policies or practices aren't real communists and, if I see another young proto-fascist calling themselves a "comrade" online, I might have to go to confession to vent more thoroughly. Yeah. Fuck capitalism.)
                      Last edited by AzraelFirestorm; 04-04-2019, 01:24 AM.


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                      • Also:

                        *takes a breath*

                        Fuck medical gatekeeping and ableism!

                        *carves that into the face of the nearest public building*


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                        • Originally posted by AzraelFirestorm View Post
                          Also:

                          *takes a breath*

                          Fuck medical gatekeeping and ableism!

                          *carves that into the face of the nearest public building*
                          Explain more?

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                          • Originally posted by Accelerator View Post

                            Explain more?
                            Pretty self-explanatory, really. Fuck the practice of gatekeeping medical services from people who need them, and fuck institutionalized predjudice against disabled people.


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                            • Originally posted by Charlaquin View Post

                              Pretty self-explanatory, really. Fuck the practice of gatekeeping medical services from people who need them, and fuck institutionalized predjudice against disabled people.
                              ... I think deaf parents should have their deaf children forcibly cured of their deafness. Does this count?

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                              • Originally posted by Accelerator View Post
                                forcibly cured of their deafness.
                                You’re gonna have to unpack that for me. How does one “cure deafness” and how can this cure be forced on people?


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