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  • I feel like some of the criticism joss whedon gets is cruel. It actually reminds me of people gossiping about me in high scook

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    • Something tells me you didn't have a position of power in high school that's equatable to Joss Whedon's job where that can even be remotely the same.

      There's a huge difference between the high school gossip machine traumatizing a kid because he wrote a kinda pervy fan fic about Wonder Woman, and a big name in Hollywood pitching a really pervy Wonder Woman script to a movie studio.

      And I really hope you're not saying you know what it feels like to be publicly dragged for any of the far more reprehensible things he's done.

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      • Originally posted by Heavy Arms View Post
        Something tells me you didn't have a position of power in high school that's equatable to Joss Whedon's job where that can even be remotely the same.

        There's a huge difference between the high school gossip machine traumatizing a kid because he wrote a kinda pervy fan fic about Wonder Woman, and a big name in Hollywood pitching a really pervy Wonder Woman script to a movie studio.

        And I really hope you're not saying you know what it feels like to be publicly dragged for any of the far more reprehensible things he's done.
        After googling that wonder woman script,it doesn't seem at all pervy to me. Just some silly jokes.
        To be honest,all of the criticisn levied at Whedon seems to boil down to "he's a bad writer,that's morally reprehensible. "
        Except,being a bad writer is like being an bad sports player,there's no lack of morality in not being good at a certain skill.
        To be honest,this feels bigger than joss Whedon. People all over the world seems almost giddy at the prospecting of badmouthing someone,it's almost as if there was a prize for who can hurt the most people. I wish people would build each other up and say nicv things for a change.
        Last edited by Nicolas Milioni; 09-18-2020, 05:42 PM.

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        • I mean there are accusations of casting couching from Whedon. Personally I don't think he is a good writer and has undeserved fame because he made one semi decent tv show and another that was cancelled.

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          • Originally posted by Nicolas Milioni View Post
            To be honest,all of the criticisn levied at Whedon seems to boil down to "he's a bad writer,that's morally reprehensible. "
            While there is criticism about his writing, it's generally separate from the criticism of his controlling off-screen treatment of women and extramarital affairs with employees and fans. And, more recently, the allegations about him from Ray Fisher and backed by Jason Momoa.

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            • Originally posted by Nicolas Milioni View Post
              After googling that wonder woman script,it doesn't seem at all pervy to me.
              I think maybe you might need to read a few more scripts to see how odd it is to put that much detail into a character's appearance in the script of a film (such things are generally not in scripts because storyboarding, casting, directing, and so on are all going to change how the final scene looks).

              Just some silly jokes.
              I'm pretty sure all the people in high-school that gossiped cruelly about you just thought it was harmless silly jokes. Does that make it acceptable? Does doing it in a professional work document make it even more acceptable?

              To be honest,all of the criticisn levied at Whedon seems to boil down to "he's a bad writer,that's morally reprehensible. "
              As well addressed... not really. The closest is more, "Whedon makes strong political statements with his writting, and then hypocritically violates his stated public ideals when out of the public eye." Which is certainly a moral or ethical issue on some level...

              To be honest,this feels bigger than joss Whedon. People all over the world seems almost giddy at the prospecting of badmouthing someone,it's almost as if there was a prize for who can hurt the most people. I wish people would build each other up and say nicv things for a change.
              Here's an alternate perspective:

              The current digital age has given a platform for people that have, for centuries, been denied the platforms to complain about bad actors and bad actions about people with power. The ability to actually speak their experiences and be taken seriously is an empowering feeling.

              Are there assholes out there taking advantage of the same resources just to tear people down for the lulz? Sure. But those people were, generally, doing it before too even if you didn't see it as readily.

              Conflating the two groups isn't a good thing.

              Originally posted by Grimmi05 View Post
              I mean there are accusations of casting couching from Whedon. Personally I don't think he is a good writer and has undeserved fame because he made one semi decent tv show and another that was cancelled.
              I think it's actually a pretty good writer. And importantly, he's really good at something a lot of writers aren't: ensembles.

              I don't think it's fair to reduce his body of work to two shows.

              Where he's at his worst, is when he gets more control over a project than just being a writer. When he's directing and/or producing, or when he has major control over something as the primary creator? That's when his weaknesses as a creative tend to get worse.

              I don't think it's surprising... but that's also when it seems his personal failings are at there worse.

              Basically? He's bad at handling being in a position of power/authority. Harming others is just a bigger deal than being self-indulgent with his projects.

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              • Originally posted by Heavy Arms View Post


                I think it's actually a pretty good writer. And importantly, he's really good at something a lot of writers aren't: ensembles.

                I don't think it's fair to reduce his body of work to two shows.

                Where he's at his worst, is when he gets more control over a project than just being a writer. When he's directing and/or producing, or when he has major control over something as the primary creator? That's when his weaknesses as a creative tend to get worse.

                I don't think it's surprising... but that's also when it seems his personal failings are at there worse.

                Basically? He's bad at handling being in a position of power/authority. Harming others is just a bigger deal than being self-indulgent with his projects.
                ehh to me a lot of his characters sound the same. WHich is fine if you are doing a show set in high school around a group of friends, not so much when you have something like "The Avengers" where if you close your eyes can't really tell which male superhero is talking. And I agree with you on his character descriptions. Each page of a script is a about a minute long so if you have a lot of text describing the look of one character you leave less time for action and talking. It leads to horrible pacing issues.

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                • Ruth Bader Ginsburg died.

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                  • Originally posted by nofather View Post
                    Ruth Bader Ginsburg died.
                    And already there’s talk of trying to replace her with Tom Cotton. :-/

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                    • I wish i could be more emotionally resistant and stoic. These days,even in the last years. Damn near anything upsets me or makes me sad,or angry. And i end up sulking on a corner or picking a fight. I gotta chill

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                      • Originally posted by TheCountAlucard View Post
                        And already there’s talk of trying to replace her with Tom Cotton. :-/

                        wait who the fuck is saying that? Even Trump is leaning towards a woman at least. Not that that means I trust her to be more liberal or somethigng


                        A god is just a monster you kneel to. - ArcaneArts, Quoting "Fall of Gods"

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                        • Originally posted by Master Aquatosic View Post
                          wait who the fuck is saying that?
                          It’s pretty easy to find the list of 45’s nominees. That he narrowed it down to a woman after doesn’t change that he had the “Let’s have American soldiers gun down unarmed American citizens on American soil for exercising their constitutional right to protest” guy in his top 20 list to replace RBG mere days before her death.
                          Last edited by TheCountAlucard; 09-22-2020, 08:07 AM.

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                          • Originally posted by TheCountAlucard View Post
                            It’s pretty easy to find the list of 45’s nominees. That he narrowed it down to a woman after doesn’t change that he had the “Let’s have American soldiers gun down unarmed American citizens on American soil for exercising their constitutional right to protest” guy in his top 20 list to replace RBG mere days before her death.

                            I've been finding partial lists and mentions on news sites that back up what you're saying. I believe you now. I just wish I could actually find the full list


                            A god is just a monster you kneel to. - ArcaneArts, Quoting "Fall of Gods"

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                            • So, yeah, of course Trump’s planning to try to steal the election. It feels as though everyone knew this moment was coming, but they either could do nothing to stop it, or they actively helped him along.

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                              • I am annoyed with the Democratic “strategy“ with regard to the framing of the story about Trump’s taxes.

                                You guys, you’re not going to lead a far-right type away from Trump by pointing out that he only paid $750 in taxes - they view taxation as theft. They don’t give a shit about civic duty - you can’t even convince them to wear a mask when going outside!

                                Instead, maybe point out that Trump is a loser who screwed his own family out of inheritance to keep himself (barely!) afloat, enough such that the Big Bad Government needed to take pity on him. How incompetent do you need to be to run a casino out of business?

                                Point out that he’s still hundreds of millions of dollars in debt, that all these taxpayer-funded luxury golfing trips to his resorts haven’t gotten him out of the hole he’s in by half.

                                Then raise the question, “If he’s willing to do that to family, what might he offer to get himself out of trouble when his debtors come collecting, if he’s sitting in the Oval Office when they call in their debts?”
                                Last edited by TheCountAlucard; 09-28-2020, 11:54 AM.

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