You Know What I Hate MK I

[monteparnas]

It just seems that they don't even make an effort to be civil with each other and aspire better behaviour.

Politicians don't aspire better behavior. They weaponize their behavior. Analyzing a politician out of your standards doesn't work, you must understand who they're actually addressing.

That's why I said undignified behavior changes form, but has always been the norm for them. Because it is undignified to shape your discourse to instill an emotion on your base instead of to follow proper conduct as a public person, but that's what they do even when they're following proper conduct. The reason is always political.

Let philosophers and academics be civil for the sake of it. Politicians are an undignified lot. By necessity, by the way.

[Heavy Arms]

We are in an era of more-than-usual weaponizing of civility (this is always a thing, since civility is not actually some lofty virtue of its own, and frequently is used to silence things that should be heard using how they're said as an excuse to ignore the truth). Right wing politics (and not just in the US) has shown an continued rise over a while now of a voting base that wants uncivil representatives that will express the voters' anger with the state of the body politic to legislating. Even if performance, right-wing politicians are incentivized to be uncivil when advocating for their side, and demand civility from political opponents, because enough of their voters want that, that if they don't do it they're be replaced by someone that will.

This then puts the left-wing of politics in a Popper's Paradox Even if most of the left does value civility as a norm, remaining civil/tolerant of uncivil behavior simply cedes undue power to their political opponents. Abiding by norms the other side has shown they don't care about is a no-win situation, and violating norms that you do care about undermines your perceived moral standing. And all of that just fuels polarization on both sides and makes a return to proper civility all the more difficult.

If the center does not hold (and so far that's not looking good even if not impossible), than the return to real civility isn't going to happen until things get a lot worse first.

[Lysander]

Honest, I didn't got your point.

"Far left" may not be the best term to refer to excited young left-leaners and not-so-young Anarchists, especially Socialists, but it was the best I could, as a left-leaning daughter to a Communist ex-rebel who fought a far-right dictatorship in a country that nowadays has actual left-wing parties instead of moderate-right Blue vs far-and-some-right Red, could think of to describe the people that actually believe the people will spontaneously riot and bring the Revolution, a discourse I have actual experience hearing from my father.

I may be wrong, as the fact I don't believe the Revolution will come and that fighting from within the system is the way to go may be skewing my perception so I don't see that the moderate left (actual left, not Biden-style right-wing BS) also believes in the Revolution y the Masses. It may also be a difference due to country and to which "camps" of the Left hold such belief in each place.

Otherwise I just didn't wanted to prolong myself too much, but it seems I have to. And to clarify, this post isn't meant to be sarcastic if it sounds as, but irony was the most effective and actually only way to give all the information I wanted to impart my brain managed to work with right now, as I'm tired, stressed, sleepy, adapting to new medication and my Autism makes switching language styles at my own will hard even in my best days.


Undignified behavior from political leaders is the norm since ever, it just changes form with the times.

I also hate seasonal allergies.

It just seems that they don't even make an effort to be civil with each other and aspire better behaviour.

[monteparnas]

Yeah the President of Antifa made sure to send out a memo to all us "far" lefties about all those riots we're totally expecting. Sadly my Soros bucks never arrived.

Honest, I didn't got your point.

"Far left" may not be the best term to refer to excited young left-leaners and not-so-young Anarchists, especially Socialists, but it was the best I could, as a left-leaning daughter to a Communist ex-rebel who fought a far-right dictatorship in a country that nowadays has actual left-wing parties instead of moderate-right Blue vs far-and-some-right Red, could think of to describe the people that actually believe the people will spontaneously riot and bring the Revolution, a discourse I have actual experience hearing from my father.

I may be wrong, as the fact I don't believe the Revolution will come and that fighting from within the system is the way to go may be skewing my perception so I don't see that the moderate left (actual left, not Biden-style right-wing BS) also believes in the Revolution y the Masses. It may also be a difference due to country and to which "camps" of the Left hold such belief in each place.

Otherwise I just didn't wanted to prolong myself too much, but it seems I have to. And to clarify, this post isn't meant to be sarcastic if it sounds as, but irony was the most effective and actually only way to give all the information I wanted to impart my brain managed to work with right now, as I'm tired, stressed, sleepy, adapting to new medication and my Autism makes switching language styles at my own will hard even in my best days.

I hate seasonal allgeries and how undignifed behavior from our polictical leaders have become the norm.

Undignified behavior from political leaders is the norm since ever, it just changes form with the times.

I also hate seasonal allergies.

[Lysander]

I hate seasonal allgeries and how undignifed behavior from our polictical leaders have become the norm.

[TyrannicalRabbit]

Unfortunately that's just not how people work. You're expecting riots that have been expected by the far left for about two hundred years. We've been through worse and things just don't happen like that.

Yeah the President of Antifa made sure to send out a memo to all us "far" lefties about all those riots we're totally expecting. Sadly my Soros bucks never arrived.

[monteparnas]

I keep seeing these conservative miscreants do things like this, and I keep waiting for riots and utter anarchy to ensue, and I keep getting disappointed.

Unfortunately that's just not how people work. You're expecting riots that have been expected by the far left for about two hundred years. We've been through worse and things just don't happen like that.

[Darksol-aeternium]

I keep seeing these conservative miscreants do things like this, and I keep waiting for riots and utter anarchy to ensue, and I keep getting disappointed.

[TempleBuilder]

I’ll do my best. Of course, in my state, Republicans hasn’t actually been challenged in their position since before I was born. Of course, times have been chaotic of late. The future is not yet written. And the world will never be better if we don’t try for a better one.

[Heavy Arms]

The leaked draft's treatment of PP v Casey is also pretty horrible considering it has even more knock on effects on what sort of judicial tests are meant to be applied to enforcing the 14th Amendments.

November is either going to show that the political "center" of the US has a spine and red-lines and will finally stop voting for R no matter how nutty the R is or corrupt Ds that will tank good policy for personal profits, and finally start voting for democracy and civil rights, or our country is fucked for generations.

[AnubisXy]

According the leaked Supreme Court draft, it looks like Roe v Wade is getting overturned. And from there it's a straight line to seeing Griswald, Obergefell and maybe even Lawrence overturned as well. The reasoning conservative Supreme Court judges are giving in the leaked draft is that Americans only have the rights explicitly enumerated in the Constitution. There's no right to privacy, which is what Roe v Wade was founded on. Of course, we've had tons of other rulings over the years that were based on this idea that Americans have an unstated right to privacy. If Americans no longer have a right to privacy, it's going to be a dark time people in the United States since many of the freedoms we take for granted come out of that premise.

[Mangaholic13]

So it has been 2 years, 3 vaccines, 5 waves- and just now when there are barely new cases here, I got Covid. Mild symptoms currently, but still very much hate every second of it. All because my sister thought that her runny nose was because of allergies. Great. Just great.

Ouch, that is rough! Sorry to hear about that, and I hope you get better soon.

[LostLight]

So it has been 2 years, 3 vaccines, 5 waves- and just now when there are barely new cases here, I got Covid. Mild symptoms currently, but still very much hate every second of it. All because my sister thought that her runny nose was because of allergies. Great. Just great.

[CTPhipps]

Language is always evolving to the needs of society. The Internet has driven a change in punctuation use specifically to preserve basic functions (communicating tone in a format that reduces comprehension of tone). This isn't a stupid trend, it was a solution driven by common use to a common problem.

Getting hyperbolic isn't helpful. I already posted above how short form digital communications has a structured (if loosely because it's born from common use and varies by sub-culture) alternative punctuation use to deal with interpreting tone in text.

Frankly, as someone that is consistently read as "aggressive," "nasty," "overbearing," and so on in long form with standard punctuation, I would love something as simple as dropping a period or switching punctuation to get my intended tone across consistently in forums like this.

Heavy Arms, you have a history of acting like you're a moderator and telling other posters how to post and what to post as well as lecturing. So I'm going to give you a warning and tell you this behavior will no longer be tolerated.

If you have a complaint about someone's behavior, report them. Don't attempt to say what they can and cannot say. It is not your job and in fact quite rude.

[nofather]

While it's cool to see it affirmed that many of those kicking off and spreading internet disinformation were Russian in origin, as the ones that haven't been blocked from the Internet are now pivoting to anti-Ukraine and pro-Russia stance, it's always disappointing to see people willingly following the breadcrumbs the trolls leave for them while pointing at everyone else for being ignorant and naïve. And, of course, its easy to hate the fact that even somehow confronted with Empirical Truth they will try everything they can to not admit they were wrong.