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    So this is probably a terrible idea, but here it goes.

    It's been weird to see things shift regarding furries on the internet, going from the "yiff in hell" nonsense from the mid-2000s to seeing the massive outpouring of creative content in the past few years. This little retrospective made for an interesting read on the history of things in the fandom and helped underscore a point I hadn't consciously thought of before: the furry community is a huge safe space for queer experimentation, and allows people across the internet to be curious about their sexualities and gender identities through an extra layer of anonymity and separation - much like I've heard time and time again about tabletop roleplaying! - and it's a narrative you hear consistently from people. I'm personally wrestling with a lot of gender issues myself, and the ability to take a step back and have a character who knows she's a transgender woman (even if I don't for sure, or can't safely explore it myself due to where I am) has been a huge outlet for how stressful all this is.

    I'm not sure what I want this thread to do, and I'm scared it'll either go without replies or become moderator city like some of the LGBTQ threads have been unfortunate enough to be, but I figure it's a topic that likely has some crossover with the community here; when you spend your time pretending to be vampires, fairies, and godlings, pretending to be a fox man or a cow lady doesn't seem as outre as it would elsewhere.

    Does anyone else here have experiences with the whole furry phenomenon, or have any characters they'd like to share? I'd obviously prefer this not become a gigantic dump of porn, bad art, and fetish sex stories, but things will probably take a mature turn. I'm curious to see where this winds up!


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    I must admit I don't know much about that community, not being part of it myself, but everything that helps people to experiment and find themselves in a safe eviroment counts with my support. I'll read the article and maybe comment more later.

    EDIT: I don't think it was a bad idea to create thread, quite the contrary, hope people remain civil. The little I know about furries is that they are usually treated with much disdain.


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    • #3
      I have friends that are in various levels of furrydom, and I've always found the mockery and stereotyping of them rather annoying, Especially because so many of them do not consider it a sexual thing in the slightest.

      I'm not sure I have much to add, or to respond to, so I'll just share a story about one of the reasons I'm very grateful for my furry friends:

      One time I was at an unrelated convention that a friend who's a furry. I got very upset after something that happened, and my friend came over to my room. We just sat together on the bed, watching TV, as I pet them on the head. It was one of the flat out most relaxing nights of my life. It was all of the soothing sensations of relaxing with a pet, with all the emotional support of a friend you can actually talk to.

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      • #4
        I have some furry tendencies that grew out my love of werewolves and other human to animal/ animal to human shapeshifters. The way I see it, the number of housewives that read werewolf erotica (to the point of there being multiple sub genres of it) means that maybe furry tendencies are more common than most people think


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        • #5
          I've always felt I've had a somewhat distant yet tangential and mutually respectful relationship with the concept of furry. The fact that I'm not particularly appreciative of animals in general doesn't help, of course. I don't consider myself a furry, but I mean, look at my avatar. I'm clearly somewhere on the spectrum.

          Animals have served as reflections of humanity since the earliest time. The aboriginal stories and the fables of Aesop all feature animals with human behaviour. Enkidu from the Epic of Gilgamesh is a half-beast. Hell, almost all the classic Disney characters are are straight up furries, the lot of them. I've never seen a reason that this would suddenly become objectionable. I suppose my stance is "live and let live". It's not for me to participate in consciously, but I can appreciate work that the furry fandom creates and if I really analysed myself, I'm sure I could find tendencies in myself as well.


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          • #6
            While I've certainly witnessed my fair share of furry-bashing (having been on the internet at least once in the last decade) I've also observed that pretty much every single online community I've ever been a part of has had at least a small cluster of furries in it. This has run the gamut from Harry Potter, Star Trek, D&D, anime, Magic the Gathering, all variety of forum roleplays and browser games, to stuff like horror fandom, conspiracy theories, and alternate history. Not always large, not always accepted, but pretty much always there and at least somewhat visible.

            By odd coincidence a good sized chunk of the gaming community I came up in when I started with White Wolf were also part of the furry community. In only one case was one of them really ostracized, and the role that his status as a furry played in that is even now sort of difficult to unpack. It was primarily due to persistent disruptive behavioral problems, but since parallel to that was the fact that being a furry formed a preponderant and very outward part of his identity it was hard to dissociate or disentangle his behavioral from that.

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            • #7
              I might as well share my own character, since that's kinda what this thread is for! I recently caved in and made a fursona for myself after years of appreciating other's furry works, and created Keftiu: she's a transwoman, a cow, an employee at a (possibly cursed) antique shop, and the author of an amateur food truck review blog. While I'm really proud of her design, the main thing is having a safe outlet for my own gender expression since I'm uncertain and the place I'm in is pretty hostile. She's also my current icon!

              EDIT: Ack, image embedding is busted on mobile. Have a (sfw, don't worry) link instead.
              Last edited by atamajakki; 09-15-2016, 01:08 AM.


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              • #8
                I never really got into furry, though several of my close friends in real life are furries, so I don't have anything against furries. While it's not my cup of tea, I still don't understand the intense levels of vitriolic hatred the fandom gets online.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Camilla View Post
                  I never really got into furry, though several of my close friends in real life are furries, so I don't have anything against furries. While it's not my cup of tea, I still don't understand the intense levels of vitriolic hatred the fandom gets online.
                  Primarily because so much of the material produced by the furry community is so sexually explicit, to the point that "furry is a sexual fetish" is the reality, not just to many members of the furry community, but to many people whose only knowledge of the furry community is pornographic pictures and stories about fur-suit orgies. Sadly I have noticed that furries, far more so than other online fetishistic communities, tend to be rather eager to throw their kink in your face and are often more dramatic about it than members of other fetishistic communities. It's sort of like how people might not appreciate members of say, the BDSM community coming into a board and posting pictures or discussing their particularly kink where there's no real relevance.

                  And it's not really fair to most of the members of the furry community who aren't particularly aggressive with their hobby, that it has been tarred by a relatively small but incredibly vocal group of members, but that's just basically what happened and why the furry community is treated as persona non grata by much of the internet, even by groups whose fetishes and sexual inclinations are much, much stranger in comparison.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by AnubisXy View Post

                    Primarily because so much of the material produced by the furry community is so sexually explicit, to the point that "furry is a sexual fetish" is the reality, not just to many members of the furry community, but to many people whose only knowledge of the furry community is pornographic pictures and stories about fur-suit orgies. Sadly I have noticed that furries, far more so than other online fetishistic communities, tend to be rather eager to throw their kink in your face and are often more dramatic about it than members of other fetishistic communities. It's sort of like how people might not appreciate members of say, the BDSM community coming into a board and posting pictures or discussing their particularly kink where there's no real relevance.

                    And it's not really fair to most of the members of the furry community who aren't particularly aggressive with their hobby, that it has been tarred by a relatively small but incredibly vocal group of members, but that's just basically what happened and why the furry community is treated as persona non grata by much of the internet, even by groups whose fetishes and sexual inclinations are much, much stranger in comparison.
                    ​Fair point. I knew about some of the fetish stuff via pop culture osmosis, but never really encountered it personally among the few furries I know IRL. Since I never looked into it, I never knew that it had gotten that bad all because of a vocal minority.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by AnubisXy View Post

                      Primarily because so much of the material produced by the furry community is so sexually explicit, to the point that "furry is a sexual fetish" is the reality, not just to many members of the furry community, but to many people whose only knowledge of the furry community is pornographic pictures and stories about fur-suit orgies. Sadly I have noticed that furries, far more so than other online fetishistic communities, tend to be rather eager to throw their kink in your face and are often more dramatic about it than members of other fetishistic communities. It's sort of like how people might not appreciate members of say, the BDSM community coming into a board and posting pictures or discussing their particularly kink where there's no real relevance.

                      And it's not really fair to most of the members of the furry community who aren't particularly aggressive with their hobby, that it has been tarred by a relatively small but incredibly vocal group of members, but that's just basically what happened and why the furry community is treated as persona non grata by much of the internet, even by groups whose fetishes and sexual inclinations are much, much stranger in comparison.
                      It does the community as a whole a disservice to dismiss the whole thing as a fetish: tons of furry creative content is nonsexual in nature, and many fans don't like any of that! It's worth noting that the majority of fursuits aren't built for sex and there's a stark divide among fursuiters between them and the sexual minority.

                      But beyond that, it seems a little silly to demonize the sexual elements of the fandom. At worst, it's as goofy as any other kink, and at best it's a safe outlet for experimentation - I'm using my character to work through a lot of gender dysphoria, and feeling comfortable in an avatar of myself being sexual is a huge step forward for me as a whole.


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by atamajakki View Post

                        It does the community as a whole a disservice to dismiss the whole thing as a fetish: tons of furry creative content is nonsexual in nature, and many fans don't like any of that! It's worth noting that the majority of fursuits aren't built for sex and there's a stark divide among fursuiters between them and the sexual minority.

                        But beyond that, it seems a little silly to demonize the sexual elements of the fandom. At worst, it's as goofy as any other kink, and at best it's a safe outlet for experimentation - I'm using my character to work through a lot of gender dysphoria, and feeling comfortable in an avatar of myself being sexual is a huge step forward for me as a whole.
                        There's a lot of of good things the furry fandom does for its fans (as can be said by members of any fandom), and I'm certainly not trying to demonize the fandom (I don't have a dog in that race way way or another). I was just responding to Camilla's query, explaining that the furry fandom is closely intertwined with sexuality and sexual/gender themes in the minds of a lot of people, both for good and for ill and that's a large part of the reason why it is demonized by so many people.

                        It's probably not fair, but for a lot of people the extent of their interactions with the furry community is seeing furry porn, so in their minds it's basically a fetishistic fandom. It's sort of like how pornographic magazines are a big and very visible part of Japan's doujinshi market, to the point that many non-Japanese (who have heard of the term) think that doujinshi means "porn magazine." Most people who don't know much about furries are probably going to have similar misconceptions because the sexually charged artwork is so loud it tends to drown out other aspects of the fandom.

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                        • #13
                          Hunh. While I have seen furry porn, I am not the least under the impression that the sexual aspects of furry fandom are all that common.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by etherial View Post
                            Hunh. While I have seen furry porn, I am not the least under the impression that the sexual aspects of furry fandom are all that common.
                            I'm not gonna deny that a fairly massive chunk of the art out there is pornographic, but I'm also not sure that has to be a bad thing. The awesome person, Spacetwinks, behind the timeline in my OP had this to say in response to a later question about it, which nicely handles things; in other words, the talk shouldn't be "not all furry stuff is porn!" but rather "why is it bad if so much of it is?

                            ask:Is furry fandom indistinguishable from sexuality and/or fetish ? can it be just an style or aesthetic ? sure, but 1. there are multiple styles and aesthetics within furry itself and 2. i’m incredibly wary of pushes to separate or obscure or just plain hide or dismiss sexuality in furry after previous history engaging with it, or reading a lot of the history involving it, especially w/r/t how it treated LGBT folx in furry.
                            i was saying the other day that people tend to view furry as an all in or all out binary, but considering the amount of people who have cranked it to lola bunny, or drawn talking animal people comics of their own, without having idea one of furry as a community or art at all, this isn’t the case. people who’ve never even so much of heard of furaffinity have made furry material, or had furry sexual fantasies. sexual or not, the concept is awfully broad. ancient, even. remember that post about one of the oldest pieces of art being a small figurine of a human with an animal head?
                            the worry about sexuality, the anxiety over “oooooh how should we distinguish between non-sexual and sexual furry material ooooh it’s terribly important for respectability reasons” and all that kinda stuff, comes off as incredibly misguided to me, especially at a time when it’s mainstreaming at a wild pace.
                            so, like, yeah, you can make completely sexuality free furry stuff, be totally into sexuality free furry stuff, but the want to do so as a sort of active opposition to or resistance to sexuality in furry is just… it’s not great. sci-fi fans don’t worry half this much about material featuring fucking aliens, including not particularly human ones like garrus, who is WILDLY fucking popular. the disgust or resentment, the anxiety and worry of sexuality in furry, is what comes off as incredibly suspect to me. especially when people were making sexually charged furry material before “furry” as a community existed.
                            in short: if you wanna do furry stuff that’s completely non-sexual, that’s your bag, then go for it, absolutely. just don’t stress or get all weird about the people who do like it sexual.


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                            • #15
                              Lately, me and my friends has started to play Iron Claw. While I've never was into "furrys" (I've never felt like it was serious enough), the first session actually went ok, and didn't felt weird or silly. I've even decided to totally get out of my comfort zone and play a female character (a jackal called Alberta), something which I've never done, and it was quit enjoyable.


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