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  • I am done with every US politician. I am voting Elmo for POTUS

    I cannot vote for Trump any longer because he is quite frankly unstable, or he is a plant of the Clintons. I agree with everyone of his policies, but I am appalled by his actions. I cannot vote for Gary Johnson because he is an idiot. I cannot vote for Jill Stein because her liberal policies are in direct opposition to my conservative views. I really wish Mike Pence had ran this year and won the nomination. It is too late to replace Donald Trump. Ivanka Trump would be better than her father, she has the same political stance as Donald Trump minus her father's toxic personality. Too bad she is 1 year below the minimum age required to run for President.

    I cannot vote for Hillary, she cannot tell the truth about anything even when the truth is better, her corruption is rampant, and her election to POTUS would lead to war and societal and economic collapse. Her connection to the Globalist George Soros, a man responsible for the collapse of four governments through social engineering and currency manipulation who has now set his sights on the US according to his own words, is a large part of why I cannot vote for any Democrat. Soros has infiltrated the Democratic party at all levels and is in control of nearly all US media outlets. It is impossible to find unbiased journalism in the main stream media today. He should be investigated for treason and sedition, arrested and charged, and his bank accounts frozen. I have voted Democrat in past elections, I cannot see myself voting Democrat again unless something changes. JFK, a Democrat, was a damn good President and he would have had my vote if I was a voter in 1960, sadly I would not be born for nearly two decades later. I am willing to vote Democrat again IF that candidate was a moderate. As much as I despise socialism, Bernie Sanders would have been infinitely better than Hillary, though he would not have my vote neither.

    I do not hold enmity in my heart for those that vote democrat or that support Hillary, we are all Americans after all, we need to come together and meet in the middle. With the US political climate so polarized, and the American voters on both sides of the isle demonizing each other, I am fearful for the aftermath of the election no matter who wins. I find it probable that we will see protests and /or riots and maybe even armed uprisings on a small scale. I hope I am wrong, but I do not think I am. When mass groups of people see others as less than human, ie deplorable from the left or immoral from the right, those people will be much more likely to become violent towards their opposition. Each side claims the other will destroy our country so each side feels they are saving the country in this election with their vote. In my opinion Hillary will win the election, either through legitimate means or voter fraud, most likely voter fraud will be named as the reason either candidate wins the election regardless of weather or not it is true. When the majority of the American people no longer have faith in our electoral process, it is time to administer CPR to the country because the US will be in it's death throws. That loss of faith could materialize if mass election fraud is reported. If you live in the US, consider stocking up on food and water and preparing for a "vacation" to the country just in case things go side ways for a while, any civil disturbance would be temporary, but it would be bad non the less. I am not saying to become a crazy hermit, but a little prep just in case might be a good idea.


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  • #2
    You're sounding a little bit Alex Jones-y with the whole "evil globalists control the media" bit there, buddy. But anyone who can see how wretched Trump is is a friend of mine. Clinton's no saint, but until the right can sever ties with the folks who hate the LGBTQ community I can't begon to consider any of them.

    I would've given anything to see Bernie take this whole mess.


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    • #3
      Yeah, I'm not a big fan of Hillary, but she's better than Trump in my opinion, and she's the only candidate that has any chance of beating him. The two party system has put us between a rock and a hard place, just like it always does, but when the rock is as unappealing as Trump as a presidential candidate, a hard place looks pretty inviting by comparison.


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      • #4
        "Don't blame me!, I voted for Kodos".

        * If you don't vote they will think you have surrended and you will allow them to do all they want. Better using astuteness and trying make them fight each other for your vote.

        Your mistake is thinking the president has to be like a superheroe, a king Arthur, but not, he is only a post with a great responsability. If you need a medic or a mechanic, you want him to be honest and competent, not him to be charismatic. Don't look for a famous star, but you have to see candidates like the boss when searchs new employeers in the job interviews. If the cat hunts mice, who cares its gender or (hair) color?

        And you should notice this is maybe one of the most important elections of the History. We may be risking Western civilitation survival: the terrorist menace, China and Russia with ambitions over their neighbour zones, military technology out-of-time (because Barack Obama didn't want spend more). Turkey is practically a dictatorship, and Erdogan has betrayed NATO. Brusseles ruled by a cryptocrazy who allow unkown foreigners enter Europe. In this century a second Cristero war could happen not only in Mexico again, but also in Northamerica State land.

        I don't trust Trump too much, but I fear Hillay. If Morocco invades Ceuta and Melilla (two Spanish cities in Nort-Africa) she wouldn't help Spain at all, I am afraid. Don't forget Bengashi.

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        • #5
          I don't agree on policy involving any of the nominees really so I'm going to vote based off of integrity. Trump is a blatantly terrible human being and Clinton isn't really any better. I can't trust or believe someone who consistently lied under oath and was then proven to have been lying under oath (any regular citizen would be at minimum charged with perjury). The fact she can never seem to remember or recall her infractions reminds me of a small child getting caught sneaking cookies from a cookie jar and refusing to admit it even though he has crumbs on his mouth and chocolate on his cheek. I'll be voting for Gary Johnson based solely on integrity. I've got multiple friends and family members who live in New Mexico and saw what good his policies did there, which gives me a little bit of hope.


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          • #6
            Originally posted by cerealkiller View Post
            Clinton isn't really any better. I can't trust or believe someone who consistently lied under oath and was then proven to have been lying under oath
            Citation needed.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by etherial View Post
              Citation needed.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23JTc9xVv3c


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              • #8
                Originally posted by etherial View Post
                Citation needed.
                But, but, but.......this is American politics.......we don't do that here. The American Public can't be aware of what's going on. They'd over throw the government if they did.


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by cerealkiller View Post
                  I'm wary of trusting any content out of a network suspected of being part of a network dedicated to spreading propaganda for the Russian government. Did BBC or Al Jazeera not have a good enough citation?


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                  • #10
                    This election has turned into Bizarro America. My liberal friends are posting the most vile stuff about Clinton. My conservative friends are sitting the election out and joking about asteroids destroying earth.

                    I am pretty much a low information voter this election because I don't have the time or energy to shovel though the bullshit. I don't want to vote third party because most of their policies are crazier than the main two (Vaccinate your kids, people!). I don't want to vote Trump because I know him from old. He had a lot of business dealing in my home town of West Palm Beach.

                    I was okay with voting for Hillary Clinton, but the noise is starting to make me question my sanity. (Or maybe it's the 60 hours a week I have been working) I don't think she murdered someone... right? Has she really lied under oath? She really isn't going to start a war... I guess.

                    I just don't know anymore. At this point I am thankful I am living in Texas and a Democratic vote is like pissing into the wind.


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                    • #11
                      I'm just pissed my vote means nothing here in Arizona.


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BigDamnHero View Post

                        I'm wary of trusting any content out of a network suspected of being part of a network dedicated to spreading propaganda for the Russian government. Did BBC or Al Jazeera not have a good enough citation?
                        Couldn't find a link for Al-Jazeera or BBC that wasn't the entire hearing on youtube. If you find that reason objectionable there's also: The state department just losing $6bn while she was the Secretary of State, Her personal ties through the Clinton Foundation to world leaders known to be funding IS, her talking about escalating the situation with China by surrounding them with a ring of missiles, the fact she doesn't know that "C" stands for classified, the state department she was head of pressuring haiti into keeping its minimum wage cut (the argument can be made it wasn't her directly, however, it was her state department at the time which is still her responsibility.),her involvement with the coup in Honduras

                        And before this turns into a pile on, ugly, or the thread gets closed this will be my last post in it because thats exactly where this is headed.


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                        • #13
                          Yesterday I saw a CNN headline that read, "I would rather have a candidate that likes women than a cheat." The sheer amount of disinformation and cognitive dissonance on display, not in simply American politics, but American society in all this is astounding. Any notion that societal rape apologism doesn't exist has been, or in my cynicism, should have been swept away after seeing the response of average citizens, some evangelical leaders,pundits,etc. And to address the opening statements of the OP, well I can't say if I do or don't agree with Trumps policies because I HAVE YET TO HEAR ONE. The man's stilted less than grade school level speech could still probably have stuttered out something resembling policy that even the "basket of deplorables." could have recognized but he's not even gotten that far. At best I feel like Capt. Lionel Mandrake, listening in horror while Gen. Jack D. Ripper as proxy for a disturbing amount of the American public, talks to me about how Clinton is going to steal our vital fluids.

                          Perhaps in some sense it would be understandable if I simply threw my arms up into the air and said in bitterness that people forgot that the old saying about how democracy gives you the government you deserve was a warning and bathe in self righteousness while things fell apart. I certainly see others doing that. But I can't. My daughter, currently eleven, lives in this country and I want her to have a future that doesn't look grim and disenfranchised.

                          I am not keen on personal information but I will share a small tidbit relevant to this. When I came back here, I moved out to California because my mother was trying to fight Leukemia and while going through the light stages of her chemotherapy she couldn't work as much and it's expensive to live in California. So I moved in with my parents and I worked and I helped as much as I could. I got sorta lucky after I stopped working for a shady air conditioning company when I found a job with benefits and paid vacation time. Then the economic collapse happened. The company ushered each person in to have a one on one with the store manager(hint this is a tactic that Walmart and other places use to make someone feel vulnerable) and dictated to us that you could either take a severance that wouldn't even cover one month of rent or pretty much get no hours. I banked on the fact that so many people would leave that they'd have to work SOMEONE and it might as well be me because I needed that more certain paycheck now to help out my parents than the uncertainty of a job search in a depression.

                          I worked and found any and every excuse I could to stay at work and do whatever, including kind of piteously cleaning the grouting between store tiles in store while people are stepping over you during work hours because management wanted the store to look so bloody spic and span for a visit. Things got worse for my mother and she was put in a medical coma in the very upscale hospital out in Newport Beach. My father couldn't handle things and so I took over keeping people calm, calling family members, arraigning the details of people flying in from all kinds of places to see my mother. I pleaded with my job for something, anything to work out being able to keep the roof over our head while having time to work on all this. What I got was a snide cold shoulder from them. Eventually due to complications from an infection in her lungs the question was put to me about what to do. I was luckier than most, since I was a small child, seven or eight and on. Me and my mother had long conversations about death, dying, life,etc and we talked a lot about how being tied to a machine isn't living and neither of us would want that. Funny thing is, that didn't make it any easier as I'm sitting there holding her hand while they remove the breathing tube and I watch my mother die just after my twenty eighth birthday.

                          Fast forward to Seattle and bouncing around jobs trying to find something meaningful and sustaining in this economy. Instead I got stuff like working for a Verizon call center where despite a public policy of handling disconnects due to death, you "mysteriously" get coachings on those calls after you take them and subtly told to find a way to suggest they keep the deceased person's line of service for oh I dunno a tablet. Where I had a court order in my favour that would have put much needed money in my pockets each month is ignored by the company, where they change my W4 status illegally and there's nothing I can do because I'm too poor to do anything about it. Where I put in my two weeks notice and the company asks me to make a written two weeks notice statement, which I do then I find out from unemployment that the company tells them I didn't give notice so I get nothing.

                          So I guess the question is why I am sharing this now long winded bit of personal information. To try to bring this point across to you. Do you know how you sound when you bring out stuff like that you support the "policies" of a man who brags about how rich he is to sexually assault someone. Who talks about Soros being some sort of super villain, that you despise socialism yet I wonder if you really understand the terminology. Some of us out there, well actually A LOT of us, are suffering tangibly. Our capacity to feed and clothe ourselves, yet alone the notion of ever getting the opportunity to do something to more permanently(in a sense), better our situations. As a veteran, as a citizen, as a son of a woman who deserved better. I am so so so sick of hearing conspiracy theories when we need theories of governance, rants about political purity when we need smart political pragmatism that stares the problems facing the U.S. and the world in the face and seeks to solve them. Clinton isn't perfect, sure I would have like Sanders. But I understand how the political process works and I'll vote for Clinton. Not just because the alternative is a raging dumpster fire. But because I'd like to at least have a chance at my kid having something resembling a future.

                          /rantdone
                          Last edited by TyrannicalRabbit; 10-15-2016, 03:30 AM.


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                          • #14
                            If you absolutely can't bring yourself to vote for Trump or Clinton, you should vote for Gary Johnson. He isn't going to win anyway, so his individual faults aren't an issue. You don't vote for him because he'll win, you vote for him to express you dissatisfaction with Trump and Clinton and to give a third party more potential influence in the future - which could eventually lead to greater accountability for the Republican and Democrat Parties. If you have the chance to send that sort of message with your vote, why would you refuse to vote?

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                            • #15
                              I have to agree with Sergeant Brother. I'm sure there's many presidents who, coming into office, weren't aware of the specifics for certain world issues others think they should be. Johnson doesn't have the power of the Democratic or Republican party behind them to help them get past it.

                              If you think he's an idiot for other reasons, at least write in a candidate you believe in.

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