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    So I haven't read much into Pugmire, and I'm not sure whether magic in this setting is actual magic, or just human technology that far surpasses canine understanding.

    And I just had a thought about whether or not there might be any sort of Uplifted creatures who have a more magical significance. Or, failing that, if they used their technology on such a scale that the test subjects merely appear to be magical from an uneducated perspective?

    Like, say for example... what if somebody attempted to recreate the Black Hounds of Baskerville?
    Last edited by Nyrufa; 09-23-2018, 02:03 PM.

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    Been awhile since I read the book, but some items are just technology, but I think there's really magic there too

    Some items have limited uses, so those are or can certainly be tech items

    But the spells and most items would be actual magic

    I'd have to pour over the book again to get examples tho
    Last edited by Willowfang; 09-21-2018, 11:39 AM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Willowfang View Post
      But awhile since I read the book, but some items are just technology, but I think there's really magic there too

      Some items have limited uses, so those are or can certainly be tech items

      But the spells and most items would be actual magic

      I'd have to pour over the book again to get examples tho


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      • #4
        Def a lot of tech, but I think there's real magic there too

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        • #5
          Did not read Pugmire Corebook, per se, only Monarchies of Mau Early Access, but...

          Originally posted by Nyrufa View Post
          And I just had a thought about whether or not there might be any sort of Uplifted creatures who have a more magical significance. Or, failing that, if they used their technology on such a scale that the test subjects merely appear to be magical from an uneducated perspective?
          You basically describe here Cats as Uplifted Race.

          Dogs (from spoilers I read) are much more 'medieval England rationalists' - they believe in 'God' ( i.e. Man ), use some 'magical' ( i.e. technology ) things, but most of the time they are in medieval Europe mind frame. They have their Church of Man, they are Good Dogs, they plant seeds and rise the cows - and that's it.

          On contrast, Cats are much more mystical inclined:
          1. They 'see' the Unseen, i.e. 'demons'. And they treat it as real problem to their lives. Contrary to Dogs that are much more 'earth-bound' and obvious.
          2. Cats believe in Nine Lives. They follow real reincarnation/karmic circle belief you will be reborn in others lives. This only points they think much more mystically, like: 'Is this action will affect my future Lives? Will it not?'
          3. Cats have even 'bad' Necromancers and Monk-class equivalents from get go. It highlight they are much more interested in 'magic' and philosophies than your typical Dog.
          Last edited by wyrdhamster; 09-21-2018, 03:30 PM.


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          • #6
            Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post
            Did not read Pugmire Corebook, per se, only Monarchies of Mau Early Access, but...



            You basically describe here Cats as Uplifted Race. Dogs (from spoilers I read) are much more 'medieval England rationalists' - they believe in 'God' ( i.e. Man ), use some 'magical' ( i.e. technology ) things, but most of the time they are in medieval Europe mind frame. They have their Church of Man, they are Good Dogs, they plant seeds and rise the cows - and that's it.

            On contrast, Cats are much more mystical inclined:
            1. They 'see' the Unseen, i.e. 'demons'. And they treat as real problem to their lives. Contrary to Dogs that are much more 'earth-bound' and obvious.
            2. Cats believe in Nine Lives. They follow real reincarnation/karmic circle belief you will be reborn in others lives. This only points they think much more mystically, like: 'Is this action will affect my future Lives? Will it not?'
            3. Cats have even 'bad' Necromancers and Monk-class equivalents from get go. It highlight they are much more interested in 'magic' and philosophies than your typical Dog.

            Heh, and I thought they'd be more focused on material pursuits over spiritual matters.

            I do like the 9 lives reincarnation angle, though!

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            • #7
              Note that while they believe in nine lives it isn't actually true!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by lightjammer View Post
                Note that while they believe in nine lives it isn't actually true!
                Are you sure? Monarchies of Mau describes 'Demons' as real thing, Cats are fighting with. If Dogs do not percive 'Demons', they could also do not simply see Nine Lives cycle. Or that Nine Lives are only for Cats - as they are soooo mystical race.


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                • #9
                  Thought they had it that dogs could sense the unseen and when they bark at nothing now, in Pugmire, they were barking at demons

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Willowfang View Post
                    Thought they had it that dogs could sense the unseen and when they bark at nothing now, in Pugmire, they were barking at demons
                    Dogs can definetely smell and hear the Unseen.....not sure if Cats can also see them as I haven't read my copy of MoM yet.

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                    • #11
                      To my understanding, the tech-as-magic or real-magic line is deliberately fuzzy to allow GMs to adjust to their own tastes. It is very easy to run Pugmire as straight medieval fantasy with very little allusion to the leftover human tech, it would also not be hard to say that all magic is actually just Sufficiently Advanced Technology if you wanted to play it that way. My game was probably about 80% magic-is-magic with the super-advanced-tech-as-magic thing only coming in a few times.

                      In both cases the Unseen are a real threat to dogs and cats both.

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