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  • Counting Time in kingdoms of Pugmire and Mau

    When I run my RPGs, flow of the time is important. Especially in chronicles days, weeks and months in order gives context to the events of the play. 'Wow, we did this all in one month only!' or 'In four days we must be in Royal Palace!' - Without proper Beginning, there is no real End to the story.

    With that introduction, let's go deep to the thread subject - Are there calendars in kingdoms of Pugmire or Mau? Do dogs use our Twelve Months and remember that most are 30 and 31 days long, with February being only 28 long? Or maybe cats are using Lunar Calendar of their own making? Do they use our own names for days, weeks and months? Or did they invented their own?

    Do dogs and cats are aware of hours? Do they built clocks on their city halls? In our world clock towers started to show up in 15th century in Italy - that Monarchies of Mau is emulating. Do Church of Man follows their lives with Liturgy of Hours, marking each new part of day as pray from it - like in Medieval times whole Latin Europe did?

    Do the Pugmire and Mau have official chronicles? Do they have idea of counting years and 'year 1', then? Like 'In year 1 of Pugmire, coronation of our first proper king - Vinsen Pug II - started officially kingdom of Pugmire'.

    Then would be question - How many years passed from year 1 of Pugmire? How much from year 1 of Mau?
    Last edited by wyrdhamster; 11-06-2018, 04:55 AM.

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  • #2
    The default answer is probably: Whatever's best for your game. A lot of this stuff isn't specifically addressed because it's not essential and there's no reason to set things in stone rather than let groups pick what makes the most sense for how they see the world.

    My interpretations?

    Calendars? Yes, absolutely. The level of societal sophistication presented would require a standardized calendar system at least within each nation. They don't follow the modern European calendar, but do have a solar calendar (since they're presented as being in a temperate zone climate-wise, solar calendars are essential for planning crops). They simply number the months and days rather than having specific names for them, though scholars and the Church of Man likely know some of the secret and holy names used by the Old Ones (this just avoids me having to come up with names).

    Hours? Sure. Clocks might be relatively recent human inventions, dividing the day up into units is ancient because it's practical. Man standardized hours in the distant past, and enough relics show that Man divided the days and nights into 24 hours a day. Hourglasses and sundials are probably far more common than clocks, but town clocks are probably a thing.

    Chronicles? This seems to be an official thing even if not detailed. Dogs and Cats definitely have historians and histories... so chronicles would be part of that tradition. The Kingdom of Pugmire probably does use the coronation of the first king (Vinsen II btw, not his father) as the start of it like that.

    How many years have pasted? No clue, don't really care. Pick a year and go with it. Should probably be high enough to account for a few periods of history as implied by the presented settings (and Dogs and Cats probably do not use the same starting year since their societies started over different events); a century at a minimum.


    • #3
      It's practical of course to follow the system we humans us now, but yeah, could be not enough of the ones with dogs and cats we hang on our walls now survived to set the standard, and if any did, would the pictures confuse them enough to not trust them for use?

      Any number of other systems could come in to play. A lunar system with a extra set of days would work, solar season clocks like Stonehenge, maybe a 4 season clock starting with the solstices and Equinoxes and filler days until the next season starts so could be extra days 4 times a year

      Any number of things could be plausible, but our 12 month system would certainly be easiest
      Last edited by Willowfang; 11-06-2018, 08:17 PM.


      • #4
        Have you checked out Pugmire, pp. 139-140? Some of your answers are there!

        "Time and money share a common theme within dog society: Neither concept is very precise."

        [cut money section]

        "Dogs have generally adopted the concept of a 24-hour day from Man, but they still haven’t mastered the Old Ones’ magic to track the passage of time with any accuracy. Thus, dogs use several very rough units of time. A day is the time from one sunrise to the next. Morning is the time when the sun is rising in the sky, evening is when the sun is lowering in the sky, and night is when the sun is gone. An hour is any length of time where the sun or moon is seen to move in the sky, but isn’t a full change from morning to evening, evening to night, or night to morning. A wag is a moment or other very brief unit of time — however long it takes for a dog to wag their tail back and forth once. (Dogs with longer tails generally have longer wags than dogs with shorter tails, and those dogs without tails just guess.)"

        ​Beyond that, I haven't elaborated, and as Heavy Arms says, I intentionally let a lot vague so individual chronicles can decide on their own answers.