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  • Spears are not 2-Pawed weapons!

    Seriously,

    I have no idea HOW this came to be considered fact back with D&D 3.X, but a Spear is not primarily a weapon that requires 2-hands to wield properly. There is a reason why the primary weapon of most armies in the Early Medieval Period (aka Dark Ages) was a Spear. It was a simple weapon that the Peasants could wield along with a shield. Shieldwall tactics required the use of interlocked shields and a literal thicket of spears presented to the front of an enemy force. Now, a Spear COULD be wielded with 2-hands in such a way as either Thrusting/Piercing like with a Shieldwall. However, it could also be used as a Hewing weapon (in fact, a Hewing Spear has a longer blade that is sharpened and differentiated from the traditional thrusting spear).

    Could someone PLEASE fix this. There is a style of combat that is Spear/Shield that is every bit as logical and capable as Sword/Axe/Mace and Shield.

  • #2
    This goes back well before D&D 3.X

    When most RPGs say "spear" they really mean, "Two handed thrusting pole-arm."

    Usually making an appropriate one-handed, or mixed, spear is simple enough in most systems.

    Though a bit of a nitpick: a lot of shield wall formations did not have the front wall use spears. The front line(s) usually didn't even bother drawing a weapon, or used short swords, to focus on holding the wall, while a secondary line that wasn't part of the wall itself used spears to attack via the extra reach.

    It's not just that spears are simple weapons to learn to use (so are axes), but they allow infantry formations to multitask by having a mixed line with shields handling position control/defense, and spears handling offense.

    Solo shield and spear is actually not all that common in our historical record, and let's face it, Pugmire isn't really designed for large army formation tactics.

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    • #3
      Forgetting large army formation tactics, the spear was a common weapon of the individual viking. You'd best believe they one handed that mess.


      WoD-Dark Eras!! (Backed for Viking Age Werewolf)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Craftmason Bob's Cousin View Post
        Seriously,

        I have no idea HOW this came to be considered fact back with D&D 3.X,
        Just checked the 3.5 PHB. Shortspear is a Simple 1-handed weapon with a throwing range.

        Longspear's 2h though. Can't be thrown either.

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        • #5
          Worth noting that in D&D 5e, which is effectively the basis for Pugmire, a spear is a 1-handed versatile weapon, which means you can 2-hand it for a bigger damage die. It also comes with a throwing range.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jetstream View Post
            Just checked the 3.5 PHB. Shortspear is a Simple 1-handed weapon with a throwing range.
            I double checked the Pugmire Early Access file, and it seems to do the same thing but with javelins and spears, instead of short spears and long spears.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Heavy Arms View Post

              I double checked the Pugmire Early Access file, and it seems to do the same thing but with javelins and spears, instead of short spears and long spears.

              Which is consistent with DnD 5e, which is what Pugmire is based on. (Not arguing, just noting).


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