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  • Ditto here, Keichiokami. My Okeanos game has gone great, and after every session, I find myself so jazzed about the game.

    You did that for me, devs, writers, and I can't thank you enough.
    Last edited by TheCountAlucard; 01-25-2017, 06:36 PM.

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    • Originally posted by Isator Levi View Post
      How are they going to produce something more quickly while not needing to work harder, or even as hard as they currently are?
      By adjusting the order in which books are released, to focus on releasing corebooks before all other material. That's basically my suggestion in starting this thread, although it's kind of devolved into a standard 'it's late' complaint session which wasn't my initial intention.



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      • Okay, I understand your prior sentence in a technical manner now, that it was saying "we, the consumers, will have all of the hardbacks more quickly than we would otherwise have them, while it constitutes equivalent work for the developers and writers to if they were doing a bunch of supplements".

        ​I maintain that the assertion that the amount of work it takes to create an Exalted hardback and the amount of work it takes to create a Paths of Brigid or Different Skies or even an Arms of the Chosen is deeply flawed, especially when one is talking about doing all of these books one after another without resting periods taken up by less work intensive books in between them.


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        • Originally posted by Totentanz View Post
          I would not say my life has been easy. I've had multiple, major, painful surgeries, some with extra-shitty recoveries (at least four by the time I was eighteen, maybe more I've lost count). I have two different major medical conditions, one of which is so rare there are peer-reviewed medical articles about my specific case. I've lost family and close friends to terminal conditions, including cancer and dementia. I've felt the backhand of the universe on more than one occasion, and it fucking stings. My heart goes out to anyone that has suffered any or all of those things, and I wouldn't dream of competing on suffering. That's a sad and immature game.

          I also have a job, and I'm sure most of the people that play Exalted have a job, or a similar obligation (school, university, familial dependents, etc). Within these contexts, it's normal and humane to give people leeway for major life events. We are all caught up in shit-storms from time to time. At a certain point, though, we are also expected to deliver. Professors expect late work to be turned in. Bosses expect time cards to get punched. Customers want their product delivered, physical or otherwise. Family and lovers expect chores and such to get done If I was continually not able to meet my obligations, I would expect others to relieve me of them by finding someone else to do the work, assuming I didn't quit first, regardless of personal issues. That has happened to me before.

          It sucks, but that's life. We all gotta put up or shut up.

          I'm certainly not saying this to be an asshole. I'm saying it because there's a ton of great TTRPGs being created right now by people who make their deadlines, and OPP is promoting new product on their website all the time. If Arms doesn't come out until late 2017, will as many people buy it? And if enough people don't buy Arms because they have moved on, what will it take to get them back? By my count, we are on track for one small supplement a year for two years. I say that because both the hardbacks are still in draft, and we have now experienced how long it takes to go from draft to dropped PDF. I'm putting Ex3 Core in 2015, which seems fair given both its lateness and when the material was actually available, regardless of when the book technically dropped.

          By comparison, there are multiple members of this forum who have done more fan-work in less than six months. So, I feel it's entirely reasonable at this point to wonder if Exalted is going to get a decent product schedule going, and feel frustrated at the delays.

          We are long past the toxic-screaming-on-kickstarter-because-one-book-is-three-months-late phase, here.
          You might make a better point if Ex3 was their main source of revenue (or even a decent source of revenue); it's not. The writers and developers have to rely on other sources of income (generally through jobs). If life circumstances are such that they can't provide 100% of their time and energy for all activities, it sadly makes sense that between a decent-paying job and working on Ex3, the latter activity would suffer the most.
          That is assuming that one's mind and creativity isn't hindered. Working on a roleplaying game is inherently a creative, even artistic, process, and managing the rules of such a crunch-heavy game requires the kind of concentration my neurons couldn't muster during maths classes in high school. Either one, or both, tend to suffer, considering the events that I know have happened to the writers and developers, and that's not considering everything we (rightfully) don't know about.
          Maybe, if those folks could have their work on Ex3 qualify as a real job, the kind that pays bills and offers basic advantages like healthcare, it would be easier to devote as much energy on the game as fans want them to. (Though I shouldn't be speaking for them, since they're, you know, right here, and perfectly able to express themselves; I only hope I'm not misrepresenting the reality completely.)

          Replacing them? That's assuming the process will take less time. It takes time and effort to integrate into a new team, absorb all the relevant knowledge (and there's a lot), etc.
          The book art fiasco is actually a good example. The original artists didn't all deliver. Those called to replace them had to work from scratch (or copied other works wholesale) from that point. Not all of them provided art that us readers considered decent. Those who plagiarized among the substitutes had then to be substituted themselves and that took much longer as well.

          And by the way, those doing the fanwork have been working with well-established rules, on their free time, for their own fun (at least I hope they enjoyed creating content). Not all have obligations hindering their ability to produce that content. They didn't have to work within a professional team and get their consensus for every idea. They can quit whenever they want.
          Therefore, I don't see what fanwork has to do with Ex3's development.


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          • Originally posted by Lucy Darling View Post

            ...one of my mother's cows is named Caramel

            (others include Tripe, and Brisket, she is not so emotional usually).

            And Ghosthead, I am not in the business of sending threats myself, nor in the business of bringing fandoms down on someone's head, when they've been banned and gotten kicked from pretty much everywhere that discusses Ex3 that does ban people. I aim to walk a line between useless gossip and informing y'all of the realities of why some of us are less than keen to interact with fandom. This isn't my first round in a rodeo, I'm not about to pull the 'I just innocently mentioned a name to my rabid followers and oh no some bad people took it too far but it isn't my fault' - not that I have rabid followers, you understand, but there's a whole lot of negative energy just bursting with blame right now. Sure you can imply I made it up because I didn't give you enough information to 'test', but it's rather an antagonistic way of approaching me for information, I suppose.

            But to address that last little bit of pokery, "You can feel what you want but please don't express your feelings publicly ever":

            Feel what you want, and take some responsibility for what you actively say. The Devs get held to that, regardless of the chasm between what they said and what the interpretation was, or how fatigued they were that day, or how many times they've answered that exact question, how many nasty PMs they've gotten that day etc. I try and extend some courtesy to fans - afterall, we're all here for something like the same reason - so I'm mostly campaigning for some usefulness to the conversations. Thinly veiled 'well I have it worse' or 'too sensitive' or 'making shit up' or 'but censorship' are not useful. Pie in the sky fantasies about what you would do with the business end of things, also unhelpful when we're not sitting around discussing 'let's pretend we have endless money and time'.

            And I asked a genuine question - exactly what do you want to happen now I have read your post? Exactly what was your aim in typing all of that out, including all the implications? I am trying to understand what it is that someone can say, or explain, that will allow some level of understanding to be reached.

            As a pointer though, what you're playing, what you're doing with Ex3, workshopping campaigns, characters and homebrews, telling stories? That's all useful, or at least fun. Getting clarification on stuff? Also fun and useful. Community is not created by eating our own, not when we have such an AMAZING wealth of people doing awesome things that we can feast on instead.

            On a tangent to the issue of workload and stuff - I notice that the Onyx Path Publishing website submissions page doesn't mention Exalted as a game currently looking for writers. Is that because you're not, or because that page hasn't been updated in a while?


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            • Originally posted by CapitanTypo View Post


              On a tangent to the issue of workload and stuff - I notice that the Onyx Path Publishing website submissions page doesn't mention Exalted as a game currently looking for writers. Is that because you're not, or because that page hasn't been updated in a while?
              Not actively? I am not on that side of the table (I write what I get told to write, and occasionally brainstorm stuff with them about things I am not writing) so I cannot say for sure, but I got hired on from the last round of apps they put out a call for. Well technically I thinkit had closed but John made me write an application because he liked all my other work and I was playtesting anyway.

              I am lucky enough to live with socialised health care - that, like it or not, affects a LOT of freelance work. I still get sick, but my three month investigative surgery bout cost me nothing. Unlike the bills I know other freelancers are still paying off for life saving surgery.

              Creative industries are utterly unlike other industries, and ttrpgs are a peculiar little subset of that. Unless you have honest to god actual experience, all the whiteroom publishing advicr is missing three quarters of the ruleset and has loaded dice. And if you do? The forum is not the place for it, becausr this is a base for fans, and very occasionally the writers and Devs to talk about the line. Actual concrete business decisions don't get discussed on public forums until there is a decision reached.

              I have, on and off, considered doing a 'Lucy vs the Devs' thread where I post snippets of things. What we have been working on, media being consumed, reviews and stuff. I usually decide against it because I don't want to expose my best friends (or me) to the mud that gets slung if someone takes the 'we talked evocations' to mean EVERYTHING DELAYED AND WRONG THINGS WORKED ONNNNN, or even worse, liking the wrong kind of media. But things have gotten better, I have to be honest. So I might run it past the Devs again, see how they feel about it. It won't be a Dev diary of any sort, just a confirmation that we are all still alive and stuff is being worked on.


              ". ... for me, the transformative power of art is you are not above the material." -= Guillermo del Toro

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              • Originally posted by CapitanTypo View Post


                On a tangent to the issue of workload and stuff - I notice that the Onyx Path Publishing website submissions page doesn't mention Exalted as a game currently looking for writers. Is that because you're not, or because that page hasn't been updated in a while?
                We're accepting Exalted submissions: same e-mail address, same format (500 words setting, 500 words mechanics). I'll fix the page shortly.


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                • Originally posted by Rose Bailey View Post

                  We're accepting Exalted submissions: same e-mail address, same format (500 words setting, 500 words mechanics). I'll fix the page shortly.
                  There we go! Apply if it is your jam!


                  ". ... for me, the transformative power of art is you are not above the material." -= Guillermo del Toro

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                  • Originally posted by Lucy Darling View Post
                    There we go! Apply if it is your jam!
                    What if it's my marmalade?

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                    • Originally posted by Rose Bailey View Post

                      We're accepting Exalted submissions: same e-mail address, same format (500 words setting, 500 words mechanics). I'll fix the page shortly.
                      Can we sign the release form directly via pen tablet?

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                      • Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

                        Can we sign the release form directly via pen tablet?
                        Sure, that's fine.


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                        • Originally posted by Rose Bailey View Post

                          Sure, that's fine.
                          Thank you!

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                          • Originally posted by Rose Bailey View Post

                            We're accepting Exalted submissions: same e-mail address, same format (500 words setting, 500 words mechanics). I'll fix the page shortly.

                            Fantastic! I'll start procrastinating over a couple of submissions.


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                            • Originally posted by Lucy Darling View Post

                              There we go! Apply if it is your jam!
                              I think I might! While I like your idea about an ongoing discussion - I completely understand the need to keep some things 'off-stage' until they're ready for an audience.


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                              "If only I had an enemy bigger than my apathy, I could have won" - I gave you all, Mumford & Sons

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                              • Originally posted by Lucy Darling View Post

                                There we go! Apply if it is your jam!
                                By the Unconqured Sun! I am so ready for this! *Dashes off to play Exalted and get inspired to write material for a submission*


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