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  • #31
    Zicnal is cool as hell, and provides both rich storytelling opportunities by himself and plenty of inspiration for more creative STs to make up their own Asmani.

    Feria's cool and can serve a lot of roles depending on the campaign, her loyalties can make for some nice drama, but the most interesting thing about her is the implied rewrite of the Realm's views on marriage. Or maybe it just slipped past editing.

    The strix... is a strix. Maybe I'll be more excited about it when Lunars are almost here.

    Finally, Borok is possibly the least interesting Exalt ever written. Arrogant, immoral dynast trying to squeeze his satrapy dry despite insufficient support from the Realm? What's next, a Solar whose description is "She Exalted in the process of a heroic act, and now wanders the threshold doing great deeds"?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by ElOhTeeBee View Post
      Or maybe it just slipped past editing.
      Our editors are extremely good.


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      • #33
        Originally posted by Neall View Post

        Our editors are extremely good.

        I have mixed feelings - I like the Realm conception reproductive conception of marriage facilitating my favorite "couple" in the setting, Ledaal Kes & Ragara Szaya.


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        • #34
          I'm disappointed that we don't get any further insights into the Elements, Aura, or Signature keywords.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Greyman View Post
            I'm disappointed that we don't get any further insights into the Elements, Aura, or Signature keywords.
            I was a little sad about that too, but given that it's meant to be a character you can easily use as NPC in current campaigns, it might be a bit too complex to also have to explain those keywords?

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            • #36
              Yeah, I wondered if some of the charms are a bit simplified for ease (like Wind-Carried Words). Which is good! I don't want to have to remember a whole bunch of interlocking complex mechanics when running the NPC of the week.


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              • #37
                Originally posted by glamourweaver View Post
                I have mixed feelings - I like the Realm conception reproductive conception of marriage facilitating my favorite "couple" in the setting, Ledaal Kes & Ragara Szaya.
                Unless the Dynasty and what it expects from its Dragon-Blooded is changing a great deal the existence of gay marriage in the Realm doesn't necessarily effect the situation with Kes and Sazaya at all. Marrying someone the same sex is probably a statement that your Great House cares way more about indulging you than your role in providing it with heirs.



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                • #38
                  Originally posted by aluminiumtrioxid View Post
                  I was pretty skeptical after last time, but... I actually genuinely liked these! Borok is a useful antagonist I can use in a multitude of ways depending on how (sym)pathetic I want to portray him as, and although Feria doesn't really click with me (her Defining Intimacy marks her as a bit of a prick, to say the least, and she could either have more secrets - considering the section's title is pluralized -, or put more detail into the one we got), I really like the Evocations of her sword. The strix is cool totem/familiar fuel for later, and Zicnal is a mechanically solid character with great fluff.

                  All in all, a marked improvement from previous offerings.

                  I like the idea that Birok is right, people are conspiring against him back home, but its just because he is a douche.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Lioness View Post
                    Unless the Dynasty and what it expects from its Dragon-Blooded is changing a great deal the existence of gay marriage in the Realm doesn't necessarily effect the situation with Kes and Sazaya at all. Marrying someone the same sex is probably a statement that your Great House cares way more about indulging you than your role in providing it with heirs.

                    Or even that being married to a same sex partner isn't necessarily the be all end all to a dynast ever having children. Im picturing some DB matron saying to her daughter "yes yes we all love your wife, all I'm saying is that I happen to know that Cynis lad across the street is very...flexible...and I want grandchildren damnit!"

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                    • #40
                      The thing to remember is that the Immaculate Order has always been there for Dragon-Blooded who wanted to opt out of obligation to their houses entirely, even if we kind of lost sign of that in 2e when there was this disturbing breeding fixation.
                      Last edited by Lioness; 06-30-2017, 01:39 PM.


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                      • #41
                        i dont understand why does Cynis Borok has an appareance of 4 when the description of his appareance is so bad. I was expecting the Hideous merit in there.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by SpruceStripedGoose View Post


                          Or even that being married to a same sex partner isn't necessarily the be all end all to a dynast ever having children.
                          That's what Neomah is for.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by mizzlfoshizzl View Post

                            That's what Neomah is for.
                            The Scarlet Dynasty has historically regarded sorcerers as freakish and values them solely for utility in their ability to bring to the table all manner of magic and wonders but this one.

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                            • #44
                              Having just read these two DBs, I like them. They're not particularly dramatic or strange, but they do exactly what I want, which is to give some pretty standard DBs that could easily be used as different DBs the PCs might run into (so it's not a young fire aspect swordsman, old earth aspect general, or Monk, yet again), with a few unique things to whip out for variety. They've got enough charms to cover a wide variety of areas and have a few neat tricks, but a small enough number that it's not difficult to keep track of.

                              I do hope that in the future we'll see some much harder, much more experienced DBs though (not a criticism of these, but you need both).

                              Oh, I also noticed that Portentous Comet Deflection has simpler rules under the QC than in its preview. Which is good!
                              Last edited by The Wizard of Oz; 06-30-2017, 04:45 PM.


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                              • #45
                                Re: Keywords: The foes in Antagonists of the Righteous and Hundred Devils Night Parade serve first and foremost as playable-off-the-page NPCs. Using them to e.g. preview Dragon-Blooded Charms is a lot of fun, but using them to preview the full complexity of new DB Charm keywords is impractical due to both utility and wordcount concerns. Antagonist Charms can be simplified versions of something with more complexity when used by a PC, or even abstracted representations of multiple other Charms being used in concert.

                                Re: Gay marriage: When Exalted was launched in 2001, and when Dynastic society was conceived for publication in the first Dragon-Blooded hardcover published in April 2002, gay marriage wasn't legal in the US and the idea that it might get legalized in less than, like, thirty years felt like a pipedream. There are solid in-setting reasons why the Dynasty might not treat gay marriage as even a thing, and adherence to that sort of internal verisimilitude was valued highly by the setting designers, I believe to the game's strength many years later.

                                It is now 2017 and gay marriage has been the law of the land in the USA for years.

                                The Dynasty is deliberately terrible. It is an engine of murderous exploitation informed by everything from King Leopold's Ghost to the Draka Domination. One of the Aspect Books features the story of a Dragon-Blooded mother who, unhappy with how weak and soft she believes her child to be, literally feeds her child's favorite nannies alive to sharks, ostensibly in the name of toughening her up but also because the mother is a bitter, vindictive old ass.

                                But that's not the only thing the Dynasty is. The Dynasty is also Exalted's primary "social play" venue -- it's the part of the setting you set your game in if you want to do Game of Thrones or other courtly romance games, or Dynastic highschool hijinx. It's full of awful political backbiting and dark family secrets and also galas and balls and schools and sophisticated high society, based on but not always visibly engaging with terrible economic exploitation of the rest of the world. It is at once a villain for PCs to confront in some games, and a setting for other PCs to thrive within in other games.

                                Because the Dynasty is in so many ways so terrible, it feels really weird to keep all those terrible factors and then say "Despite their natalism and domineering attitude towards their children and focus on filial piety and borderline-to-obviously-not-borderline abusive childrearing techniques, the Dynasty is surprisingly tolerant and enlightened when it comes to same-sex relationships!" ...but it also feels unconscionable to tell LGBT players "Ahah, even now after you can get gay married in real life, the primary social play venue of our imaginary fantasyland does not support gay marriage for your original characters (do not steal), because of reasons!" The setting exists the way it does because we write it that way. You can't hide behind "But it makes no sense because setting" when you're the reason the setting is the way it is.

                                So gay marriage in the Dynasty in 3e is no longer just not a thing. All the factors motivating its discouragement are still around -- the Realm's interest in strong inheritence tracking and precise lineage records, its distrust of sorcerers and demons, the unreliability of sorcerous workings -- but they also exist in the context of a world that's been run by god- and element-chosen heroes shaping the world according to their epic passions since the dawn of history. When your best friend in secondary school now wields an ancestral heirloom daiklave that was famously forged during the Shogunate because of its creator's anger that arranged marriage prevented her from being with her chosen wife, and its use in pursuit of that grievance lead to the extinction of three family lines, the death of a regional daimyo, a volcanic eruption, and a tsunami that reshaped the coastline in ways you can still see centuries later when you visit your summer home, grandkids via demon midwife are still not what you want, but they don't look so much like the end of the world.
                                Last edited by Stephen Lea Sheppard; 06-30-2017, 11:18 PM.

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