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  • how long did the primordial war lasted?

    i know it lasted at least centuries. also based on what we know of primordial power(e.g the ebon dragon) how long after exaltation would it take for the exalted to come out of hiding?

  • #2
    I don't know if we know anything about first generation exalted. I'd wager under 3000 years, since the veterans in 2e were shocked they could die of age. M-R-L lasted until the Usurpation sometimes.


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    • #3
      I don't know if the temporal events still exist in Ex3, but I know that in Second Edition the Primordial War did involve time-travel, for a lack of a better word, so I don't know if it can be determined how long the war lasted.

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      • #4
        that guy died of old age at around 1700 or so . just read it. based on that we can assume that the first exaltations happened around -1000 BFE

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mark View Post
          i know it lasted at least centuries.
          How do you know that?

          Originally posted by mark View Post
          also based on what we know of primordial power(e.g the ebon dragon) how long after exaltation would it take for the exalted to come out of hiding?
          Which Exalted were hiding? When? Why? What does the Ebon Dragon's power level have to do with any of it?

          Originally posted by mark View Post
          that guy died of old age at around 1700 or so . just read it. based on that we can assume that the first exaltations happened around -1000 BFE
          Or perhaps he spent centuries' worth of time in a manse where time flows significantly faster. Or got hit with an aging curse by an angry god. Or traded away a thousand years of his life in Plentimon's casino. Perhaps a Lunar tricked him into taking two bites of a peach of mortality. Or a hundred other options.
          Last edited by TheCountAlucard; 09-17-2017, 12:35 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by TheCountAlucard View Post



            Which Exalted were hiding? When? Why? What does the Ebon Dragon's power level have to do with any of it?
            i assume they did not send essence 2-3 exalted to face isidoros right? i am using the ebon dragon for an approximate power reference guide

            [QUOTE=TheCountAlucard;n1141091]How do you know that?
            when SWLIHN was informed of the first neverborn death she dropped out of the war for centuries

            Last edited by mark; 09-17-2017, 12:52 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mark View Post
              i assume they did not send essence 2-3 exalted to face isidoros right? i am using the ebon dragon for an approximate power reference guide
              Wellll, in 3e? They total could have. I mean, the war wasn't immediately about 1v1 primodials. A essence 1 solar could take on a 2nd circle though. Especially now with the right supernals (hell, the key charm to killing primodials is essence 1). So, yeah.


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              • #8
                Originally posted by mark View Post
                i assume they did not send essence 2-3 exalted to face isidoros right? i am using the ebon dragon for an approximate power reference guide
                Actually generally yes they did send essence 2-3 out to fight in the Primordial War. This wasn't a conflict where they were going to get a luxury of keeping major war assets (and let's face it that's every exalt) out of the war for over 100 years just so they could hit essence 6. Not to mention that's part of why one would generally pick exceptional individuals to exalt, super powers are going to people who are already pretty good at something and can extrapolate out from there. Though there was probably a fair amount of prep time for things like information gathering, strategy, and making sure DB bloodlines had actually managed to have a generation or two and not have it where you kill the first gen and that's it for the DB exalted.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mark View Post
                  i assume they did not send essence 2-3 exalted to face isidoros right? i am using the ebon dragon for an approximate power reference guide
                  I'd guess they didn't attack the actual Primordial world-bodies first of all. Rather, they attacked the lower-level devas to weaken the Primordials, and their armies of non-humans, before getting to the position where they were able to strike down some of the main world-bodies*. And the ones doing that would probably be the more powerful and experienced Exalted (overall, they might have some less powerful ones because their powers were complimentary).

                  But, generally speaking, Solars are quite specialised, so if you're sending people to fight a Primordial's main body in a straight-up brawl, it's more important to send the ones specialised for combat than the ones with high essence. That also applies for Lunars and Sidereals, though slightly less so. No good sending in an Essence 5 spy or diplomat, an essence 1 or 2 expert swordsman is probably better suited.

                  *Though not Isidoros's or the Ebon Dragon, obviously. Or at least if they did send in people to fight them, they were all killed by Isidoros's giant hooves/the Ebon Dragon's curses of doom.
                  I wouldn't like to say that it was simply the most powerful Primordials who survived, but I imagine on average the Primordials who died were weaker than the ones who survived. Hence them dying.
                  Last edited by The Wizard of Oz; 09-17-2017, 01:22 PM.


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                  • #10
                    Probably longer than 10 years but less than 1,000 years.

                    *EDIT* In my own games the Primordial War ran for several hundred years and involved several lulls in the fighting. There was even a moment when the the Primordials and the Exalted Host temporarily put aside their differences to fight a bigger threat, when a horde of twisted things emerged from one of the early Shadowlands and began devouring everything. The Primordials, Incarna and Exalted thought these things might destroy Creation itself, so they all chose to work together to destroy or entrap them before eventually continuing their earlier fighting.
                    Last edited by AnubisXy; 09-17-2017, 02:10 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Also just as a reminder, age and Essence rating, and age and XP totals, are not something that go hand-in-hand anymore. Masturbating in a Hyperbolic Time Chamber for a decade won't net you a hundred free XP. A Solar who lives to be a thousand might never break his way into Essence 6, while one who is only thirty years old might find himself at the impossible heights of Essence 8.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TheCountAlucard View Post
                        Also just as a reminder, age and Essence rating, and age and XP totals, are not something that go hand-in-hand anymore. Masturbating in a Hyperbolic Time Chamber for a decade won't net you a hundred free XP. A Solar who lives to be a thousand might never break his way into Essence 6, while one who is only thirty years old might find himself at the impossible heights of Essence 8.
                        seriously? even so all the essence of the world is useless without high attributes,abilities, and you know, actual charms

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mark View Post
                          seriously? even so all the essence of the world is useless without high attributes,abilities, and you know, actual charms
                          Given how Essence Rating works in 3e...those go hand in hand? Essence Rating and charms definetly do (unless your spending normal xp on something else).
                          You can't have essence 6 and nothing else. And training times, while long in play, aren't that long. Still, an Essence 1 Solar could cut down lower souls if he was geared to that fighting, or seduce them , or assinate them, or...
                          And that's not accounting for the Lunars, Sidereals, and Dragonblooded.

                          There was probably a period of time between 1st exaltations and the War, however, if only because any degree of organization and training time would take time. Maybe a decade?


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                          • #14
                            As to how long it lasted, I think it's left intentionally ambiguous with time bending shenanigans.

                            As to how essence 1-3 exalts can defeat primordials, that takes a lot of time and effort. I doubt there were many titans who went down after a straight up knockdown fight against Solars. I'm sure one or two of them might have gone down like that, but in general I consider the death of a titan to be the kind of thing that you could do an entire months, maybe years, long campaign about. You don't really just walk out onto a field with your circle, point your daiklave at Isidoros, activate a few scenelong charms and get to titan slaying.

                            To be clear that is something awesome that you should be able to do eventually. After a long time of delving deep into crevices to find hidden shards of power, forging them into epic new weapons, forging alliances between disparate factions, sowing discontent and discord within the ranks of your enemy, slipping into his world body to wrench out the stone core upon which his invincibility relies, and a dozen other things. Then afterwards you and your four buddies go charging in with the greatest battle plan ever devised, and still have the fight of your life.

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                            • #15
                              You know, I don't want to be funny, but...

                              ​Is the purpose of these threads an exploration of what things have been changed or abandoned from the change between Editions? It's just... a lot of this has been moved away from.

                              ​Anyway, sure, it's unlikely that a fresh new Exalt was sent to duel with a full-fledged Primordial, in the same way that the Vietnam War did not start with the fall of Saigon. Yet, the war was able to consist of something a bit more elaborate than the North Vietnamese Army and Vietcong sitting around for a few years stockpiling weapons.


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