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  • Exalted Charmset Theses in One Word & Sentence

    Please let me know if you agree, or what single word or sentence you might use instead.


    One Word

    Solars: Excellence

    Abyssals: Deathlords ("Ghosts", for those who don't know what a Deathlord is. Possibly "Undead".)

    Infernals: Yozis ("Demons", for those who don't know what a Yozi is. Possibly "Hell".)

    Terrestrials: Elements

    Sidereals: Fate

    Alchemicals: Cybernetics

    Liminals: Bodies ("humors" brings various bodily fluids to mind, but not flesh or bone, and "corpses" isn't always accurate; "corpse elements" is clearer, but two words.)


    One Sentence

    Solar Charms represent how Solars learn to apply superhuman power and skill, sufficient to achieve impossibilies, because Solars are "just that good".

    Abyssal and Infernal Charms represent how these Exalts have learned to emulate and evoke the powers and personalities of the Deathlords (possibly the Neverborn) and Yozi, respectively.

    Dragon-Blooded Charms represent how Terrestrials learn to apply their skills in order to metaphorically emulate the five Elements, to evoke effects metaphorically associated with the Elements, or to physically conjure up and control the elemental substance of the world around them.

    Liminal Charms represent how Chernozem learn to control the various substances of their unnatural bodies, to exploit those substances in corpses and the undead, and how to evoke sympathetic effects in the world which are metaphorically reflected in those substances (blood and water, breath and air).

    Sidereal Charms represent how Sidereals have come to understand Fate through their human understanding and mastery of various skills, arts, and sciences, and how they use that enlightenment to affect the mechanisms of Fate.

    Alchemical Charms are cybernetic implants and prosthetics.
    Last edited by Sunder the Gold; 09-27-2017, 01:54 PM.


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  • #2
    I disagree WRT Abyssals and Infernals.

    The core book states that, while many Abyssals serve Deathlords, not all do. The preview material suggested their "Unique Thing" was Deathlord charms, but the new devs have so far downplayed that.

    Abyssals' powers stem from their understanding of Death, The Void, or a certain gothic "meaninglessness of life."

    Therefore I'd posit their one word synopsis should be "Death" or "Nihilism." Some may have access to special training that allows them to emulate particular figures, but their Essence is that of Death's Lawgivers, regardless whom they serve.

    I'll post thoughts on Infernals separately.
    Last edited by mizzlfoshizzl; 09-27-2017, 01:39 PM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by mizzlfoshizzl View Post
      I disagree WRT Abyssals and Infernals.

      The core book suggests that, while many Abyssals serve Deathlords, not all do. While the preview material suggested their "Unique Thing" was Deathlord charms, the new devs have so far downplayed that.

      Abyssals' powers stem from their understanding of Death, The Void, or a certain gothic "meaninglessness of life."

      Therefore I'd posit their one word synopsis should be "Death" or "Nihilism." Some may have access to special training that allows them to emulate particular figures, but their Essence is that of Death's Lawgivers, regardless whom they serve.

      I'll post thoughts on Infernals separately.
      I don't think loyalty to a Deathlord means anything in regards to Charms. A rebel Abyssal would still be able to learn the Resistance Charm that lets them trap a target in an iron maiden suit of armor that then fights for the Abyssal.

      A renegade Infernal who opposes Malfeas could still learn Malfeas green sunfire and brass skin Charms.


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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sunder the Gold View Post
        I don't think loyalty to a Deathlord means anything in regards to Charms. A rebel Abyssal would still be able to learn the Resistance Charm that lets them trap a target in an iron maiden suit of armor that then fights for the Abyssal.

        A renegade Infernal who opposes Malfeas could still learn Malfeas green sunfire and brass skin Charms.
        I agree, except that seems contrary to your initial post:

        Originally posted by Sunder the Gold View Post
        Abyssal and Infernal Charms represent how these Exalts have learned to emulate and evoke the powers and personalities of the Deathlords (possibly the Neverborn) and Yozi, respectively.
        So now you have me all confused about what your point is.

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        • #5
          An alternative for Abyssals might be "Murder". While the Liminals have a broader death focus, a lot of the Abyssals focus was on how to kill things, to make things for killing, to make better killers, etc.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mizzlfoshizzl View Post
            I agree, except that seems contrary to your initial post:

            So now you have me all confused about what your point is.
            The Yozi tainted Solar Exaltations with their own Essence. An Infernal learns how to apply superhuman Resistance through a Malfean lens rather than a Solar one. So he turns his flesh into brass and basalt.

            His powers emulate and evoke the Yozi. That is not to say that he obeys or reveres the Yozi. Regardless of his feelings, he is their heir until he dies.

            Unless this Edition lets him become a Solar.
            Last edited by Sunder the Gold; 09-27-2017, 02:32 PM.


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            • #8
              Originally posted by Exthalion View Post
              An alternative for Abyssals might be "Murder". While the Liminals have a broader death focus, a lot of the Abyssals focus was on how to kill things, to make things for killing, to make better killers, etc.
              That'd get us more of the same from past editions. I was under the impression that the plan was to dial that rather far back, so as to not have an existential threat always pushing its way into every game.

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              • #9
                Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

                That'd get us more of the same from past editions. I was under the impression that the plan was to dial that rather far back, so as to not have an existential threat always pushing its way into every game.
                Yeah, that.

                Also, I heard nothing about the devs abandoning the idea that Abyssal Charms would emulate the Deathlords. Why avoid that rich vein of inspiration?


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                • #10
                  Originally posted by aluminiumtrioxid View Post
                  I notice a conspicuous absence of a Lunar summary. What gives?
                  Smaller battles before major wars, please.

                  Also, let's give the devs more time to answer that question of mine before we try tackling that mystery for ourselves. Again.


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                  • #11
                    Robert has now answered a question posted after my question about the Lunar Charmset thesis. Waiting to see if he goes back to answer that.


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                    • #12
                      Robert and I are still discussing the matter.

                      I appear to have gotten the conversation off on the wrong foot by using the word "thesis" rather than the word "aesthetic".

                      It's certainly true that there's more to a Charmset than can be explained a one-word summation of the unifying aesthetic framing of the Charmset, but at this moment, all I'm really digging for is the aesthetic thesis of the Lunar Charmset in a single word.

                      The visual, narrative justification for how Lunar Charms work, equivalent to how I can say that Dragon-Blooded Charms work because Terrestrial Exalted manipulate and evoke the five Elements.


                      Does anyone think I've failed to properly summarize the aesthetics of any Exalted's Charmset in two words or less? Or at least with one single sentence?


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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by Sunder the Gold View Post
                        It's certainly true that there's more to a Charmset than can be explained a one-word summation of the unifying aesthetic framing of the Charmset, but at this moment, all I'm really digging for is the aesthetic thesis of the Lunar Charmset in a single word.
                        This might be insultingly simplistic, but have you thought of "Luna"?


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                        • #14
                          Originally posted by aluminiumtrioxid View Post
                          This might be insultingly simplistic, but have you thought of "Luna"?
                          I didn't have to settle for "Sol", "Dragons", "Maidens", "Autochthon", or "Dark Mother".

                          Even with the Abyssals and Infernals, "Deathlords and Yozi" are more like modifiers to Solar "Excellence".

                          Or, at the very least, we will have a better idea of how the Deathlords can do things because they will Ben written up as anatagonists. We have a fair idea of what the Yozi are and do.

                          But Third Edition is rolling back away from detailing the Incarnae, whether their goals, personalities, or powers. Second Edition is no longer strictly accurate.

                          Even the Abyssals and Infernals wouldn't describe the effect of a jumping Charm as, "I leap really good, like that particular monster."

                          An Abyssal would say, "instead of leaping normally, I fall into my own shadow and emerge from some distant patch of darkness. At night when the sun is gone, I can practically teleport where I please."

                          An Infernal would say, "I become a silent, razor-sharp wind that soars through the sky but which cannot pass any area filled with loud noise."

                          So, how does the Lunar jump really far?


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                          • #15
                            Solar: Excellence
                            Dragon-Blooded: Elements
                            Lunar: Revenge for 3e I suppose
                            Abyssal: Chivalry
                            Infernal: Rage? Difference? Idk.
                            Sidereal: Fate
                            Alchemical: Transhumanism
                            Exigence: Individuality
                            Getiminian: 404
                            Liminal: Adaptation? Idk.

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