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  • Originally posted by A Not Quite Simple Soul View Post

    A patronage system can be suggested all it wants. The simple fact is that her philosophy is incompatible with technological advance or more specifically the investments you need to make to make it happen. Nobody knows how to make a phone. There are people who can assemble the hardware, there are people who can write the software, there are people who can manage the networks, there are people who can build and maintain the infrastructure, and there are people who can do similar tasks for the infrastructure required for the phones to have infrastructure. No one can do every task needed to make phones work, much less keep a significant number of such operational. There are multiple full time jobs involved here. That's not even getting into making newer, better phones.

    The whole point of specialization is that it allows people to focus on specific tasks rather than trying to do everything. This allows people who are not particularly suited for some tasks to contribute by focusing on tasks they are suited for.

    This leads to some people being less powerful than others because the tasks they are suited for don't involve punching giant monsters to death or sticking sharp bits of metal into people who punch giant monsters to death.

    This is balanced by the fact that in specialization friendly societies the warriors can train more and more efficiently, as well as be supplied with superior tools, logistics, and support by the noncombat specialists. This father allows greater population concentrations so even as the percentage of fighters decreases their total number generally increases.

    However with a philosophy where the 'weak' are left to die alone there's only motivation to specialize as whatever the leader/tribe sees as a strong role. Which leads to the choice to become mercs, thieves, or dead. Raven does not have a patronage system, she has a lot of bullyboys who fit some minimum definition of strong in her mind, and then rapes and pillages other societies to get what her half-assed tribe can't make for themselves because they're too busy training to be better rapers and pillagers.If she was actually using some sort of patronage system to keep non-combat specialists around she'd either not need to be a colossal bitch to a bunch of villages, or she'd be able to hold the territory and apply her system to the people she conquered.
    Do you understand the difference between "I am ideologically opposed to a thing" and "I will not provide the ideal environment for a thing to flourish"?

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    • Another wasted episode. No fights, three separate settings. I'll save you some time, spoiler free. A) Ruby is special B) The Faunus are apathetic C) The White Fang is taking two scoops of Bad Guy Cereal.

      If you were in, say, film school and you wanted to give all of that information to the viewer in as efficiently as possible, you could do it in a single extended lateral camera move and make a nice three panel style vignette of Ruby sparring with a nervous Oscar telling him to focus and let go of his worries, cut to on of the "Blake and Sun can't get signatures on their Help Not Fuck The World" Campaign, and then cut to the Evil White Fang Priest Duo saying "You know what is required of you. Capture X and kill Y". That could be done in a stylish, three beat single tracking shot lasting about 10-15 seconds.

      and then you wouldn't have wasted 15 minutes. I seriously learned nothing in this episode I didn't already know, and the plot insists on reminding me every chance it gets that Ruby is just super special, guys. 2/10 please resubmit for grading.


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      • Okay I'm not gonna pretend that this was the best episode of the volume, let alone series, but c'mon, there were good parts.

        Spoilered just in case.

        While the petition montage went on far too long, IMO, Blake's talk with Sun was nice. And it was nice to see more of Menagerie. Even if we didn't learn anything we didn't already about Adam (he's a spiteful pissbaby), it was nice to see Blake's outlook.

        Ruby and Oscar's scene, IMO, was less about Ruby being special and more, to me, seeing Ruby actually show some semblances of her personality beyond "Peppy Protagonist". Seriously, as likeable as she is, she was kind of lacking in depth through the first three volumes. Also, it was really nice for her to acknowledge being torn up about Penny's death, after going a volume without mentioning the poor robot.

        And with Those Two Fang Cultists, the real meat there is their working even behind Adam, and seem to be using HIM for their purposes. Were they behind Sienna rising, too? Are they trying to manipulate the Fang as a whole? Were they the real problem?


        I mean, not the best episode and it feels like a bit of a stall after the previous one, but 2/10 is just being unfair.


        Disclaimer: I'll huff, grump, and defend my position, but if you're having fun I'll never say you're doing it wrong.

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        • Originally posted by Ren9077 View Post

          Do you understand the difference between "I am ideologically opposed to a thing" and "I will not provide the ideal environment for a thing to flourish"?
          Yes. Do you understand that it doesn't matter if Raven is intentionally anti-tech, or if it's just a result, it still ends with the extinction of all non-Salem sapient life on Remnant?

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          • Originally posted by A Not Quite Simple Soul View Post

            Yes. Do you understand that it doesn't matter if Raven is intentionally anti-tech, or if it's just a result, it still ends with the extinction of all non-Salem sapient life on Remnant?
            One regionally-powerful bandit queen is enough to damn Remnant? Wow, Remnant is screwed.

            Again, you might have a point, if Raven was High Queen of Remnant. And got there without shifting priorities or methodology at all, continuing to rule as someone who wasn't in power, of course.

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            • First, Blake really looks much better without the ribbon. I keep noticing that.

              Second
              the Line Rose was strong with this one

              I hope they hurry up and gst the Menagsrie stuff done soon, or Blake wont be part of the RWBY reunion till next volume. Though, I can see two avenues to her going to Haven now. First, the Fang succeed and shes taken there (then escaping or helped to escape by Ilya). Or, she goes after the Fang after the assassination attempt, whether it suceeds or fails.

              I think Ilya is being set up for a heel-face turn. Just wondering if she'll join the protagonists or if she's a sacrificial lion type character

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              • Originally posted by Kyman201 View Post
                Okay I'm not gonna pretend that this was the best episode of the volume, let alone series, but c'mon, there were good parts.

                Spoilered just in case.

                While the petition montage went on far too long, IMO, Blake's talk with Sun was nice. And it was nice to see more of Menagerie. Even if we didn't learn anything we didn't already about Adam (he's a spiteful pissbaby), it was nice to see Blake's outlook.

                Ruby and Oscar's scene, IMO, was less about Ruby being special and more, to me, seeing Ruby actually show some semblances of her personality beyond "Peppy Protagonist". Seriously, as likeable as she is, she was kind of lacking in depth through the first three volumes. Also, it was really nice for her to acknowledge being torn up about Penny's death, after going a volume without mentioning the poor robot.

                And with Those Two Fang Cultists, the real meat there is their working even behind Adam, and seem to be using HIM for their purposes. Were they behind Sienna rising, too? Are they trying to manipulate the Fang as a whole? Were they the real problem?


                I mean, not the best episode and it feels like a bit of a stall after the previous one, but 2/10 is just being unfair.
                To quote a great movie, It's incredibly unfair. I don't grade on a curve and this isnt a macaroni-glued-to-plate project. RWBY is a show backed by an online indie powerhouse wih its own tie in Steam game, it has to play with the Big Boys. The stuff you mentioned should have all lasted maybe 3 minutes out of 15 and the remaining time should have been used for a Big Action Or Plot Setpiece. Preferably both.

                This is shit writing and it hurts me to say that. I'd expect this from a Digital Animation 102 final project. People pay to watch RWBY. Seriously, this episode was storyboarded and nobody cared that it was 15 minutes of shilling, Tell Dont Show, and oooh so mysterious plotting. What did the show have to even say about that bit? Maybe Team Terrorist isnt 100% loyal? No shit, they just killed their leader last week.

                2/10. For Oscar adding a bit if character and maybe the "Spite" dialogue, which should have been overlayed over said character actually doing something. Instead of fleshing out a major, mysterious Antagonist we watched 2 characters sit and talk about someone. JFC, thats literally in Bad Film-making 101


                ..."But I've bought a big bat, I'm all ready you see. Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me"

                Message me for Japanese translations.

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                • Originally posted by Sorcerous Overlord View Post
                  RWBY is a show backed by an online indie powerhouse wih its own tie in Steam game, it has to play with the Big Boys.
                  I don't think Rooster Teeth is allowed to get indie cred anymore. They're not like ten people in a little office these days. They're a subsidiary of a subsidiary of a subsidiary of a subsidiary (Rooster Teeth to Fullscreen to Otter to AT&T/Chernin) and they own their own bigass studio and have tons of employees and enormous cash flow and hold conventions with tens of thousands of people who show up just for their properties. They employ industry professionals from top to bottom.

                  There's nothing wrong with that, of course. They make good shit and they've all worked hard for their success. But they aren't four guys cobbling together machinima together with mics they bought at Best Buy and some extremely basic screen-capture software and calling their buddies to do voice-acting anymore, and haven't been for a long time. They're a regular media company now.


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                  • Originally posted by Murcushio View Post

                    I don't think Rooster Teeth is allowed to get indie cred anymore. They're not like ten people in a little office these days. They're a subsidiary of a subsidiary of a subsidiary of a subsidiary (Rooster Teeth to Fullscreen to Otter to AT&T/Chernin) and they own their own bigass studio and have tons of employees and enormous cash flow and hold conventions with tens of thousands of people who show up just for their properties. They employ industry professionals from top to bottom.

                    There's nothing wrong with that, of course. They make good shit and they've all worked hard for their success. But they aren't four guys cobbling together machinima together with mics they bought at Best Buy and some extremely basic screen-capture software and calling their buddies to do voice-acting anymore, and haven't been for a long time. They're a regular media company now.
                    Their work model still isn't quite triple a either. In this sense they are comparable to Ninja Theory.
                    They're big. But they're far closer to Extra Credits than to Universal.

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                    • Originally posted by Ren9077 View Post

                      One regionally-powerful bandit queen is enough to damn Remnant? Wow, Remnant is screwed.

                      Again, you might have a point, if Raven was High Queen of Remnant. And got there without shifting priorities or methodology at all, continuing to rule as someone who wasn't in power, of course.
                      What even is your point? That raven isn't anti-tech because she's not actually in charge? That make no sense. My point, and complaint, has always been that her brain-dead philosophy is anti-civilization, thus inherently anti-progress and anti-tech.

                      She's never going to be anything but a force of entropy as long as she tries to cleave to that nonsense, and thus the only sane methods of dealing with her are to deliver as swift a death as possible, or avoidance/evasion if you can't fight her, or you know dying bravely hen she attacks and you can't get away, but that one is less a sane choice and more a lack of better options.
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                      • Originally posted by A Not Quite Simple Soul View Post

                        What even is your point? That raven isn't anti-tech because she's not actually in charge? That make no sense. My point, and complaint, has always been that her brain-dead philosophy is anti-civilization, thus inherently anti-progress and anti-tech.

                        She's never going to be anything but a force of entropy as long as she tries to cleave to that nonsense, and thus the only sane methods of dealing with her are to deliver as swift a death as possible, or avoidance/evasion if you can't fight her, or you know dying bravely hen she attacks and you can't get away, but that one is less a sane choice and more a lack of better options.
                        Raven isn't anti-tech because she is not ideologically opposed to technology. That is what the words mean. Remember how words have definitions? Her ideology might logically have detrimental effects on civilization if applied universally in a large area, but 1) that is a consequence of her ideology, which is a DIFFERENT THING than a feature of an ideology, and 2) she's not in charge and she won't be.

                        And yeah, bandits suck and should generally be wiped out ASAP, ideologically driven or not. But this character has an interesting past and possibly hidden motives and agendas, and I want to know what those are. As such, I am uninterested in seeing her killed off at this point. It's not like these are REAL PEOPLE dying, and having interesting characters who are, to some degree, monstrous, tends to be beneficial to many stories. Particularly ones like Exalted.

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                        • Originally posted by Ren9077 View Post

                          Raven isn't anti-tech because she is not ideologically opposed to technology. That is what the words mean. Remember how words have definitions? Her ideology might logically have detrimental effects on civilization if applied universally in a large area, but 1) that is a consequence of her ideology, which is a DIFFERENT THING than a feature of an ideology, and 2) she's not in charge and she won't be.

                          And yeah, bandits suck and should generally be wiped out ASAP, ideologically driven or not. But this character has an interesting past and possibly hidden motives and agendas, and I want to know what those are. As such, I am uninterested in seeing her killed off at this point. It's not like these are REAL PEOPLE dying, and having interesting characters who are, to some degree, monstrous, tends to be beneficial to many stories. Particularly ones like Exalted.
                          She is anti-technology because anti-technology is a subset of being anti-social. She opposes the societal foundations that would make technology possible. Worse even, she makes it harder for societies around hers to maintain those societal foundations by conducting banditry against them. Her philosophy is having a very real negative immediate effect on the well being of many towns, even at this scale. She is running a parasite-society, with an ideology that will make it difficult to impossible to perform the bandit equivalent of sustainable farming.

                          Might makes right does not encourage long term thinking as it tends to put one into "fight to live now, or die" situations. One leader restrains themselves in their raidings to not wipe out all worthwhile targets within range, another contender will rise and promise more loot on their next raid. And we've seen that Raven's band will destroy villages.

                          (She can't actually become in charge of Remnant, as her philosophy requires outside targets. Her philosophy will destroy her own people long before she'd get there.)

                          But no one is talking about her being killed off in the show right now. The point is merely that she is clearly and utterly a force for evil, whatever her motivations, and that if she's going to become a force for good, she'll need to change dramatically (as often happens in stories, so I'm not ruling it out, just noting that dramatically both means 'in the story' and 'by a major amount' here). She's not THE big bad, but she is A big bad. like Torchwick was.



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                          • Originally posted by BjornTheFellhanded View Post
                            But no one is talking about her being killed off in the show right now. The point is merely that she is clearly and utterly a force for evil, whatever her motivations, and that if she's going to become a force for good, she'll need to change dramatically (as often happens in stories, so I'm not ruling it out, just noting that dramatically both means 'in the story' and 'by a major amount' here). She's not THE big bad, but she is A big bad. like Torchwick was.
                            At the MOST charitable... She Ain't Helping.


                            Disclaimer: I'll huff, grump, and defend my position, but if you're having fun I'll never say you're doing it wrong.

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                            • NO she's actively part of the problem, she's basically Cinder with less ambition.

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                              • Anyone want to hear my speculation about the Kingdom of Atlas?

                                I think they have Icewalkers and Dean Shomshack's Inglehamish. Frontiersfolk who reject the conformity of Atlas (and Mantle before it), but who still play important roles in the kingdom.

                                The Icewalkers herd unpennable beasts southward for the winter, bringing food to the cities and reducing the amount of fertile land that would otherwise need to be devoted to livestock.

                                The Inglehamish are basically Solitas' answer to the "normal" villages found elsewhere in the world. Without Fair Folk to make them suspicious, and with Grimm presenting a common foe, the Inglehamish would be more accepting of travelers, making their homes important waystations between cities.

                                I've also written some speculation articles about their history, technology, and culture.

                                Mantle and deep-sea sailing

                                Speculation about Ancient Mantle

                                Atlesian Patriotism Runs Deep
                                Last edited by Sunder the Gold; 11-17-2017, 11:45 PM.


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