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  • #31
    Originally posted by Blaque View Post
    It is. I would actually assume that for instance, any copper currency or such is probably local tender and just not really useful out of their contexts. Think things like the cities in I think Southeast Asia where folks used local casino chips as currency. Folks probably locally have silver for big things but for day to day are running debts and such.
    That's correct. There's a short sidebar in The Realm discussing the use of credit as opposed to hard currency.


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    • #32
      Originally posted by Rahod View Post
      Ok, looking into the system it appears that those who work in threshold make more money than in the Realm. An obol equal 7 3/4th which is the current conversion rate.

      In the Realm - day of work equals one Yen for an adult
      In the Threshold - a month of work of two adults is one dinar
      Calendar month holds 28 days

      One Dinar is equal to 128 yen

      So anyone in the realm who is a skilled worker must work 2 2/7 times more to equal the pay of someone of equal standing in the threshold.

      Please let me know if my math is wrong
      I don't think your math is wrong, but by my reading the yen is a days wage for an unskilled adult, and the dinar is a month's wage for two skilled adults. The qian as a week's wages for a skilled commoner matches better (1 dinar = 8 qian, 2 people working for a month = 1 person working for 8 weeks).

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Noodle View Post
        I would like to preface this with the caveat that I myself have studied both economics and classical history, and that one of the key players in my group is a historian with a specialization in the Roman Empire. As such, our games tend to end up with a stronger focus on hard currency exchange than most.

        The solution that my group has found to this lack of day-to-day coinage for the silver standard is to import a portion of the Augustan Roman currency, with the Denarius replaced by the dinar (given that the RL dinar was based on the denarius, this was an easy conversion).

        Specifically, the coins we brought into exalted were the Sestertius (a large copper coin), worth 1/4 Denarii, the As (a medium copper coin) worth 1/4 Sestertii, and the Quardans (a small copper coin) worth 1/4 Asses. The other coins, like the semis, we determined to be unnecessary and did not translate over, to keep things easier and lock in a 1:4 conversion rate between coins.

        This solution has worked very well for us, though we tend to have very little direct interaction with the jade standard in game and tend to use the resource merit solely as a measure of expected monthly income.
        Actually, the Roman denarius and the Exalted yen are closer equivalents, both being a day's wage for an unskilled laborer. The Roman Empire spent, roughly, 11 million sestertii a year/legion and per the cost tables it costs 3 jade talents to keep a legion fed, paid, and in the field for a year. Converting to denari and yen gives the following:

        Roman Legion/year: 2,750,000 denari
        Exalted Legion/year: 3,145,728 yen

        An Exalted dinar is worth roughly 131 yen and would result in a massive price inflation.

        I was actually doing a lot of currency conversions for a game I am in where we found a pile of money and were trying to figure out what we could do with it.

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        • #34
          Yeah, that's the other thing: while I'm not going to claim my research on the subject was especially comprehensive, the idea that the Realm is somehow unique in having denominations suitable for day-to-day use does not seem to track to real life history at all. Rather, anywhere with a sufficiently developed economy is going to.

          Now, maybe the idea is supposed to be that each developed-enough Threshold state will have its own rough equivalents to the siu and/or yen, but the book makes it sound more like someone in Nexus or Great Forks is just SOL if they want to pay cash for anything worth less than 1/8 dinar.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by autXautY View Post

            I don't think your math is wrong, but by my reading the yen is a days wage for an unskilled adult, and the dinar is a month's wage for two skilled adults. The qian as a week's wages for a skilled commoner matches better (1 dinar = 8 qian, 2 people working for a month = 1 person working for 8 weeks).

            I did go back and read and you are correct unskilled is a yen per day. Thank you for the correction.


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            • #36
              Originally posted by Sith_Happens View Post
              Yeah, that's the other thing: while I'm not going to claim my research on the subject was especially comprehensive, the idea that the Realm is somehow unique in having denominations suitable for day-to-day use does not seem to track to real life history at all. Rather, anywhere with a sufficiently developed economy is going to.

              Now, maybe the idea is supposed to be that each developed-enough Threshold state will have its own rough equivalents to the siu and/or yen, but the book makes it sound more like someone in Nexus or Great Forks is just SOL if they want to pay cash for anything worth less than 1/8 dinar.
              Hence bar tabs.

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              • #37
                So the list in the first post is useless or??

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by light-hero View Post
                  So the list in the first post is useless or??
                  More or less, yeah.

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                  • #39
                    A few more examples of what stuff costs would probably help, mind.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by TheCountAlucard View Post
                      More or less, yeah.
                      That is til bad. I am guessing from this thread it would not possible to maks one?

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                      • #41
                        I was actually surprised that the core book didn't go a little more detail into this because I swear I remember the devs saying that it would be a little more detailed than previous editions. Maybe something cut for space. I'd love to see a little bit more in a Storyteller's Guide or small supplement.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Therian View Post
                          I was actually surprised that the core book didn't go a little more detail into this because I swear I remember the devs saying that it would be a little more detailed than previous editions. Maybe something cut for space. I'd love to see a little bit more in a Storyteller's Guide or small supplement.
                          There was a pricelist in some drafts of 3e that was cut for space.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Exthalion View Post

                            There was a pricelist in some drafts of 3e that was cut for space.
                            Something that the could be found on the web?

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Stephen Lea Sheppard View Post

                              Hence bar tabs.
                              Do new faces in major cities have to pay money to start bar tabs, so you know its not just a drifter looking for a free meal before ditching town? Or do they run on faith and the assumption you will get your legs busted for ditching?


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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
                                Do new faces in major cities have to pay money to start bar tabs, so you know its not just a drifter looking for a free meal before ditching town? Or do they run on faith and the assumption you will get your legs busted for ditching?
                                Alternatively you might be asked to put something up as collateral; when I was a kid, one of my teachers would loan you a pencil if you forgot to bring one, but you'd have to give her one of your shoes until you gave the pencil back.

                                (Regardless of what deal the bar is willing to make with you, expect to get fleeced; after all, you're a foreigner.)
                                Last edited by TheCountAlucard; 02-23-2018, 09:28 AM.

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