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  • How to weaken a defining Intimacy?

    Only recently got into Exalted 3rrd edition spent years avoiding it being butthurt on some of the directions things went in.

    cant find any charms that will really help you with weakening a defining intimacy.

    to help do that you need to create a new intimacy.

    but you caqnt do that because a defining intimacy bar's intimacys that disagree with it.
    Last edited by Prince of the Night; 04-14-2018, 01:07 PM.



  • #2
    To weaken a defining intimacy, you only need them to have a major intimacy that opposes it, not defining.

    Of course, how likely is it that they'll have a major intimacy that opposes their defining intimacy? Not likely. Though it is possible.
    For example, if an Immaculate Monk had a defining intimacy of "All Anathema are evil" and a Major Intimacy to "my friend Righteous Fox", but then learns that Righteous Fox is an anathema, you could use this to weaken their belief that "All Anathema are evil."

    Now, if they don't have any intimacies that oppose their defining intimacy at all... that's very difficult.

    What you'd need to do is give them a minor intimacy that opposes their defining intimacy. They'll get +4 Resolve from the Defining Intimacy, which makes it difficult, but if you've got a huge social pool it's doable. They can also spend a WP to resist getting that minor intimacy though.

    But if they don't, you can then increase that minor intimacy to major... if they've got another minor intimacy that supports it. So you might have to give them two! Increasing a minor intimacy to major can't be resisted with a WP, but does require stronger evidence than what gave them the minor intimacy in the first place.

    Once they've got a major intimacy that opposes their defining intimacy, then you can roll to weaken their defining intimacy. Though they can resist with 1 wp.

    So... in short, convincing Pelleps Delled that Anathema are not so evil is very, very difficult. You can't just roll dice at him.

    In order to weaken someone's defining beliefs that they've built their entire life on, you need to find something else they care about, which contradicts it.


    In terms of charms, your best bet are charms that give them minor intimacies, of which there are a small number. And of course, Fulminating Word, which means they have to spend 2wp instead of 1 to resist getting a minor intimacy or having their defining intimacy weakened.



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    • #3
      If you want to convince me that pretty boy are sexier than bear, you better bring your A-game at social skills instead of spending some motes expecting me to kiss Sephiroth boots and renounce the perfection that is Demetheus's pecs.


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      • #4
        Or of course you could just use Twisted Words Technique.


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        • #5
          Are you talking about yours or someone else's?

          If you're attempting to degrade a defining intimacy of someone's then you need either a major or defining intimacy that supports the degrade attempt. This does not mean they need to disagree with or contradict the defining intimacy. If you're trying to remove a person's loyalty to their house you don't have to operate from them having a desire brutally murder all of them, you just need something important to the person that you can use make them care less about house loyalty.

          Also defining intimacies don't prevent the creation of intimacies that go against them. It is just unlikely for it to crop up.

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          • #6
            Yeah, they just give +4 Resolve to things that are against them. But 8 dice of excellency should cover that.


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            • #7
              hmmn just thought, if a Dragon blooded has a defining intimacy to his house and a major intimacy to the realm, and learns his house is commiting treason how will that likely play out I know add up the bonuses and penaltys is what it says

              safe to say that could be volatile?

              and even if he sides with his house he might want the people commiting treason brought to justice and see his house publicly abhor what they did.


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              • #8
                any charms that explicitly helps with attacking defining intimacys?


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post
                  hmmn just thought, if a Dragon blooded has a defining intimacy to his house and a major intimacy to the realm, and learns his house is commiting treason how will that likely play out I know add up the bonuses and penaltys is what it says

                  safe to say that could be volatile?

                  and even if he sides with his house he might want the people commiting treason brought to justice and see his house publicly abhor what they did.
                  Well, that's a hero with conflicted desires, clashing principles! A staple of literature to make the hero suffer

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post
                    hmmn just thought, if a Dragon blooded has a defining intimacy to his house and a major intimacy to the realm, and learns his house is commiting treason how will that likely play out I know add up the bonuses and penaltys is what it says

                    safe to say that could be volatile?

                    and even if he sides with his house he might want the people commiting treason brought to justice and see his house publicly abhor what they did.

                    Who says those two Intimacies are even conflicting?

                    He has a Defining Intimacy towards his House, NOT the traitorous members of it... and he doesn't want to see his House end up the next Iselsi!

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                    • #11
                      As others have said, whether two intimacies conflict is contextual; as circumstances change, two intimacies that don’t conflict at one point might begin to conflict later. So you pretty much need to give them a Major Intimacy that doesn’t seem to conflict with the Defining Intimacy you want to erode, and then arrange circumstances such that they come into conflict. You can then attempt to use the Major Intimacy to erode the Defining.

                      This is pretty difficult!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Krata Lightblade View Post


                        Who says those two Intimacies are even conflicting?

                        He has a Defining Intimacy towards his House, NOT the traitorous members of it... and he doesn't want to see his House end up the next Iselsi!
                        I’d say that, while it’s normally up to a player to define what his character’s intimacies mean, if another character wanted to use this situation in order to pit the first character’s pro-house intimacy against his pro-Realm intimacy or vice verse, it would not be okay for the first player to argue “Ah, but the intimacy is to my House, not traitorous members within it, therefore there’s no conflict.”

                        That said, “There’s no conflict” would be a good justification for if this attempt at social influence failed.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post
                          any charms that explicitly helps with attacking defining intimacys?
                          Not really, no.

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                          • #14
                            The entire point of Intimacies, or a big part of it, anyway, is to make it more difficult to change people's minds than just throw a giant pile of social dice at them and watch their viewpoints erode.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Stephen Lea Sheppard View Post
                              As others have said, whether two intimacies conflict is contextual; as circumstances change, two intimacies that don’t conflict at one point might begin to conflict later. So you pretty much need to give them a Major Intimacy that doesn’t seem to conflict with the Defining Intimacy you want to erode, and then arrange circumstances such that they come into conflict. You can then attempt to use the Major Intimacy to erode the Defining.

                              This is pretty difficult!
                              I do really like how it encourages the kinds of tragic stories we like to tell about this kind of thing, from Othello all the way down to Revenge of the Sith.

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