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    Lore question here... How long was the First Age? I ask, because as I was working with one of my players last night to create some evocations for his 4-dot artifact axe, we were looking at eh era portion of the sample artifacts in Arms of the Chosen. They had these really neat names, but every single Artifact has a different era. That led me to wonder, "How many eras are there? How ;long is an era? How long was the First Age? How long have mortals (to include Exalted) existed in Creation?"


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    How many eras? We don't know.
    How long is an era? Variable, not the least because some of the eras in arms overlap or are local terms
    How Long was the first age? I want to say somewhere it was said to be around 1000 years, but also not stated.
    How long have mortals existed? Since the Age of Dreams. Also not defined in lore.


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    • #3
      Lukkychukky in third edition you will not likely find hard answers about the chronology from before the Scarlet Empress took the throne. This is intentional by the Devs to give storytellers the space possibkebto make it what they wish. Just my 2 cents.

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      • #4
        Okay, good to know. Some follow-on questions...

        How many Ages have there been?
        If the First Age was only ~1,000 years, how do 1,000 year daiklaves fit in? Were they all crafted at the same time?


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        • #5
          Originally posted by Saipjas View Post
          Lukkychukky in third edition you will not likely find hard answers about the chronology from before the Scarlet Empress took the throne. This is intentional by the Devs to give storytellers the space possibkebto make it what they wish. Just my 2 cents.
          That makes sense. I just didn't know if there was any kind of canon I'd be going against if I said the First Age lasted 8,000 years, or that there have been 20 "ages" since the dawn of time.


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          • #6
            First and Second Edition made the First Age about 3,500 years long; Third Edition ups that to around 5,000 years. This is described on page 20 of the core book.

            ​Don't mind all of the stuff with thousand-year daiklaves and the like; whatever the prior developers intended for the concept, it's basically been dropped entirely by the new ones (and I honestly don't think it's much of a loss).


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            • #7
              "X-year daiklave" is not a literal term.


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              • #8
                Originally posted by Robert Vance View Post
                "X-year daiklave" is not a literal term.
                Doesn't it state that's how long it takes to craft them? Or is that more symbolic? 1,000 year daiklave, but it actually took 20 years or something.


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Isator Levi View Post
                  First and Second Edition made the First Age about 3,500 years long; Third Edition ups that to around 5,000 years. This is described on page 20 of the core book.
                  It is? I didn't know they'd made it longer this edition.

                  (And in 2nd edition, the First Age was surely well over 4000 years: Autocthon has been in Elsewhere for 5000 years, and the First Age ended 768 years ago.)


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                  • #10
                    X-year daiklave is analogous, not to five-year-plan, but to hundred-year-storm.

                    That is, an X-year daiklave is not one that takes X years to create, but "something like this only comes along once in X years!"

                    I gather that it's a deprecated term that we won't be seeing more of.


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by The Wizard of Oz View Post
                      It is? I didn't know they'd made it longer this edition.

                      (And in 2nd edition, the First Age was surely well over 4000 years: Autocthon has been in Elsewhere for 5000 years, and the First Age ended 768 years ago.)
                      You’re missing the Shogunate in that time line.


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by The Wizard of Oz View Post
                        (And in 2nd edition, the First Age was surely well over 4000 years: Autocthon has been in Elsewhere for 5000 years, and the First Age ended 768 years ago.)
                        I thought it was 786 since the Empress crowned herself. Then again, I'm tired.

                        But also, who says the time measurements in Autochthonia were accurate to Creation, considering it was an entire world away, and given the other worlds' tendencies to have time act weirdly in regard to Creation?

                        Every other realm of existence has some weird hangups when it comes to time passing in Creation: time is completely fluid in the Wyld, allowing you to spend a week there and come back to Creation to find a year has passed; the Underworld didn't have the passing of hours or days or seasons until the Calendar of Setesh was created, and when it broke, the Underworld's sun just hung overhead like it was stuck until the thing was repaired; time passes in the Demon City at the whim of the Yozis; time doesn't pass at all in Elsewhere. Hold on… does Yu-Shan have any temporal fuckery going on?

                        Also also, tangentially, am I misremembering, or did the way Autochthonian days were set up in 1e (5 5-hour periods making a 25-hr. day) get assumed to be a thing in Creation as well by a 2e author, leading to Creation having 25-hr. days in 2e?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by glamourweaver View Post

                          You’re missing the Shogunate in that time line.
                          The Shogunate is part of the First Age. It's just not the High First Age. The Second Age starts with the Contagion, Balorian Crusade, Creation getting smaller*, etc.
                          90% of people dying and the entire world being invaded is, after all, far more significant than the Usurpation.


                          *Is that still canon?


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by The Wizard of Oz View Post
                            The Shogunate is part of the First Age. It's just not the High First Age. The Second Age starts with the Contagion, Balorian Crusade, Creation getting smaller*, etc.
                            90% of people dying and the entire world being invaded is, after all, far more significant than the Usurpation.


                            *Is that still canon?

                            Umm wizard I believe Devs said end of first age is usurpation.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by The Wizard of Oz View Post
                              The Shogunate is part of the First Age. It's just not the High First Age. The Second Age starts with the Contagion, Balorian Crusade, Creation getting smaller*, etc.
                              90% of people dying and the entire world being invaded is, after all, far more significant than the Usurpation.


                              *Is that still canon?
                              One of the Devs, I think Vance, has said recently that the Second Age starts with the Usurpation.

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