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  • #31
    I just used the logic that Firedust made fire and nothing else. The Giant cannons use water super heated by firedust to shoot cannon balls.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Isator Levi View Post

      I'm pretty sure that they could be mass produced.
      Sorry, to be more clear: the firewands can; the ammunition can't. At least, not to the extent of gunpowder. The ingredients of gunpowder aren't (besides charcoal) stuff you can just find lying around, but they're not incredibly rare.
      Whereas flamedust is a magical substance produced by the southern wyld.
      No matter how advanced a factory he builds, the Bull of the North is never going to be able to equip a million men with Firewands the way Napoleon did with muskets.


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      • #33
        Originally posted by The Wizard of Oz View Post
        Sorry, to be more clear: the firewands can; the ammunition can't. At least, not to the extent of gunpowder. The ingredients of gunpowder aren't (besides charcoal) stuff you can just find lying around, but they're not incredibly rare.
        Well, flame weapons use firedust or specialised alchemical reagents synthesised from a variety of exotic reagents found in other dirrections. So, although somewhat rarer, resources to produce amunition supplies will not be exclusive to the South. (Flame shot amunition is Resources • in the South, Resources •• or higher elsewhere.)
        Last edited by Greyman; 07-14-2018, 06:05 AM.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by The Wizard of Oz View Post
          incredibly rare.
          Whereas flamedust is a magical substance produced by the southern wyld.
          Firedust seems to take a lot of effort to acquire, but references to how it's stored and sold consistently seem to make it relatively abundant.

          And I have to think that, given the inherent difficulties, that there are sizable untapped veins of it waiting out there.


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          • #35
            I have a bit of headcanon that the alchemical reagents actually predate the discovery of firedust and that the modern notion of flame weapons come from the south is very much a post Usurpation thing.






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            • #36
              Alternate headcanon: whilst firedust is far more common in the south, it can occasionally pop up in other areas of the wyld, usually near volcanoes and stuff.

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              • #37
                I wasn't arguing that it's impossible to get outside the south, just that the price and availability makes it impossible to equip whole armies with firewands. (Resources 2 per soldier per battle is incredibly expensive.) Thus, Exalted wars will continue to be fought with swords and bows even when equipped by Twilight engineer. But you could still have heroes or small elite units using it.


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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Isator Levi View Post
                  Wouldn't Southern towns be primarily built of clay and stone?
                  "If they're not primarily made of wood like in cowboy movies, then why are there cowboys who need guns?" is my first thought.

                  Yes, I agree that most buildings in the general area of the South would not be made with wood.


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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by The Wizard of Oz View Post
                    I wasn't arguing that it's impossible to get outside the south, just that the price and availability makes it impossible to equip whole armies with firewands. (Resources 2 per soldier per battle is incredibly expensive.) Thus, Exalted wars will continue to be fought with swords and bows even when equipped by Twilight engineer. But you could still have heroes or small elite units using it.


                    If a Twilight engineer wants armies of firewanders badly enough, they'll manage it, but just like in our history, fielding masses of firearms is going to take a huge leap in infrastructure. In this case, "building infrastructure" starts with a geomantic Working to make a fire-aspected demesne in the North. There are certainly better uses of a Twilight's time if making new murder tools is the goal, but some people very specifically just want to watch the world burn.

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                    • #40
                      I'll note even outside cowboys, there are pulp heroes imagined more with boomsticks then with crossbows. Crossbows are a bit clunkier looking, and don't have that flash of light that a movie shotgun might when it kicks.


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                      • #41
                        Go read the Back Alive or Maybe Dead Quest.

                        That's the point of Firewands.


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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Wise Old Guru View Post
                          Go read the Back Alive or Maybe Dead Quest.

                          That's the point of Firewands.
                          To have titles with bad grammar?


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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Sunder the Gold View Post
                            To have titles with bad grammar?
                            No. To enable awesome stories to borrow from genre tropes and conventions and use them as a spice to flavor their Creation to taste. The quest is a great example of an alternate take on the setting that makes the world its own and puts a unique spin on the setting while still being very much recognizable as Exalted. It's honestly been a major source of inspiration for me to bring renewed life to my own portrayals of the setting. And it's chock full of firewands.


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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by SpoonR View Post
                              Also, IIRC "cannon" type artillery are either alchemy (beam o'death) or steam based (scary hissy boiler lofting pumpkins/cannonballs with a mighty hiss)
                              Shore cannons were powered by huge amounts of firedust in 1e, and then in 2e they were changed to be steam-powered to address the question "If you can build firedust cannons, why can't I scale that down to firedust rifles and then use Craft Charms to upgrade them to modern assault rifles and win every fight forever?" In 3e we changed them back to being firedust-powered because we're satisfied with the answer "Because firedust doesn't combust like gunpower below a certain quantity threshold, which is too big to fit in a personal-scale weapon" and because the description of the firing mechanism for the steam-powered shore canons (the canonball seals the pressure chamber and is held in place by a plank, and then you fire it by pulling the plank aside really quickly) was, uh, dumb. And because we figured giant bronze shore cannons cast from a single piece of metal are cooler than clanking hissy steampunk canons powered by a boiler. Not everything is made better by sticking some gears on it and calling it steampunk.
                              Last edited by Stephen Lea Sheppard; 07-14-2018, 05:40 PM.

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                              • #45
                                In addition, the "I build assault rifles and win every fight forever" is a fallacy in and of itself, as Shards of the Exalted Dream set out to demonstrate.

                                Exalted don't stop being Exalted because someone has a gun. I don't expect Shards to ever get a 3e update, but I think the philosophy still holds. Wuxia isn't the only ingredient in the stew, and "Kung fu fails before guns" is not a thing in Exalted. All that happens is you give some bright person the idea to start inventing Firearms charms.

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