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  • Also this just dropped

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    • Lol, the next sentence says Solar(oid)s can equal their prowess, under tutelage, granted, but still. Equal prowess means having peers?

      Semantics and word games.

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      • Query: Did the replace-Dex-With-Str for Attack charm allow use of unarmed strikes? I’m considering a Martial Artist and was wondering.

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        • Originally posted by TGUEIROS View Post
          Lol, the next sentence says Solar(oid)s can equal their prowess, under tutelage, granted, but still. Equal prowess means having peers?

          Semantics and word games.
          I mean, they don't get sutra effects from what vance said in the dev thread. So they certainly don't have the same power when it comes to using SMA. They also can't teach it so while they get near comparable prowess, it's not the same. We'll have to wait when sidereals comes out and SMA is in to see how different sutra and non-sutra bonuses are. It could be the difference between mastery and none, or it could be the difference between a celestial martial artist and terrestrial.

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          • Originally posted by prototype00 View Post
            Query: Did the replace-Dex-With-Str for Attack charm allow use of unarmed strikes? I’m considering a Martial Artist and was wondering.
            If it's like the stamina charm, it should.

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            • Originally posted by Epimetheus View Post

              If it's like the stamina charm, it should.
              It would be a strange omission but since I don’t have the Charm text I thought I’d check.

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              • Originally posted by TGUEIROS View Post
                Lol, the next sentence says Solar(oid)s can equal their prowess, under tutelage, granted, but still. Equal prowess means having peers?

                Semantics and word games.
                Not really. Consider previous editions, where Sidereals could devise esoteric martial arts that Solars could learn, but could not create themselves.

                There's no reason to assume 3rd edition is going to do away with that when Kung-Fu History Monks is a Siddie thing, and unlike Lunars Sids have had a pretty coherent mission and vision since day one.

                In relation to the Lunars vs. Solars in sorcery department, then, it's not so strange for Lunars to have charms that Solars do not in relation to sorcery, but Solars are still accessing a third circle and rolling more dice on average. (NO, you are not going to stunt two attributes on every single Shape Sorcery roll.)

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                • Well yeah, Sidereals are peerless in Sidereal Martial Arts, as they should be, but in Martial Arts, Solars are right there on top, as they should be.

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                  • Originally posted by TGUEIROS View Post
                    Well yeah, Sidereals are peerless in Sidereal Martial Arts, as they should be, but in Martial Arts, Solars are right there on top, as they should be.
                    Except they aren't unless you take brawl. Which is back to being separate from ma. Both solars and sidereals have access to mastery and sidereals have sma.

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                    • Originally posted by Epimetheus View Post

                      Except they aren't unless you take brawl. Which is back to being separate from ma. Both solars and sidereals have access to mastery and sidereals have sma.
                      Word from the developers some time back was that all Sidereals will likely be slated to treat MA as favored even if they didn't tag Brawl.

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                      • I think they also said something about Sids being able to access SMA effects solars can't, with like sutras or something.

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                        • Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

                          Word from the developers some time back was that all Sidereals will likely be slated to treat MA as favored even if they didn't tag Brawl.
                          My point with that though is that brawl and ma are two different things. Sidereals are going to be the best at MA because none of it is innate. You learn or develop a style and everyone who's strong enough gets to learn it. Compared to brawl which is just a beat down.

                          I imagine the fact that lunars have abilities that just enhance any unarmed attack is why they don't get mastery.

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                          • I would like to point out that this derail is much less about speculating about the new Lunar book than it is complaining about the dev’s balance decisions for Solars and Sidereals.


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                            • Originally posted by Sunder the Gold View Post
                              I would like to point out that this derail is much less about speculating about the new Lunar book than it is complaining about the dev’s balance decisions for Solars and Sidereals.
                              I tried to bring it back around. It is interesting that the stamina lunar charm doesn't rely on abilities. They'll probably be able to combo native charms with ma if it's a feature and not an exception. Unless the charms mention specific brawl attacks.

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                              • Originally posted by Epimetheus View Post

                                Except they aren't unless you take brawl. Which is back to being separate from ma. Both solars and sidereals have access to mastery and sidereals have sma.

                                What a silly argument.

                                A particular Sidereal that does not take MA is no better at it than any mortal.

                                Whats your point?

                                Also Solars have access to Mastery 100%, while whether that is true or not for Sidereals is yet to be seen.

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