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  • #31
    Well, I see Bull Style as being primarily based around cattle (the style was probably invented by Ahlat or one of his followers), but it's the nature of martial arts to splinter off in all directions. Those are all regional variations based on the large, aggressive creatures native to their respective locales - so, straight Bull Style in the South, Bull Moose style in the North, Bull Elephant in the East, and Bull Walrus in the (north-)West.

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    • #32
      I see a Bull Style that’s based on male bovines, and then we can spend any wordcount that might be necessary to cover Bull Moose Style, Bull Elephant Style, etc. on other styles. And if someone has a good idea for one of those it can just be Moose Style or Elephant Style I guess.

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      • #33
        I kinda feel like directional variants of styles could be expressed by 1 or 2 alternate charms emphasizing a difference in approach instead of a whole new tree.


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        • #34
          Well, what I don’t want to see out of additional animal styles is multiplication of complexity beyond the sort of “Here is the name of the style, and all the Charms of the style; now here is the next style” design we see in e.g. the corebook. I don’t think we need multiple styles of the same name or regional variants with one Charm swapped out for another—and I think handling it that way is both sort of nonsensical considering that there’s not enough Exalted, Charm-using MA practitioners for multiple supernatural variants of any given MA to be believable, and doesn’t much mesh with the “Supernatural MA’s expression of fundamental cosmic truth re: this archetype” shtick that usually comes up when it’s time to explain why Sidereals have proficiency with it.

          (Besides, you run into the how-do-I-learn-both-variants problem, where your solutions are going to be something like “You can’t,” which people always hate, “You can but you have to buy the whole style again,” which people always hate and which comes with variants like “you get a discount on the redundant charms in the style the second time” which just demonstrates that your approach is broken and you’re patching it half-assedly and you know it, or “You can just learn both versions of the Charm,” in which case you don’t have regional variants, you’ve just expanded the MA cascade by one, and why are you sticking a moose and an elephant charm in your male bovine style MA and diluting its themes thereby just because males of both those species also happen to be called bulls?)

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          • #35
            I didn’t mean multiple Bull Styles or functional differences in any Charms, just that the style might represent an amorphous, vague idea of “Bull” as a male beast wrestling for dominance.

            Tiger isn’t amorphous, though it easily covers every cat in the world with the possible exception of cheetahs.

            Snake covers the uncountable species of venomous snakes.


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            • #36
              Originally posted by Stephen Lea Sheppard View Post
              So the Solar Castes have animal nicknames. The Dawns are Bronze Tigers, the Zeniths are Golden Bulls, the Twilights are Copper Spiders, the Nights are Iron Wolves, and the Eclipses are Quicksilver Falcons. When Castebook Dawn came out, it had Tiger Style in it. "Oh," said us on the forums. "I bet that means we'll get a new animal style in each of the castebooks, corresponding to the animal nicknames of the castes!"

              That didn't happen.

              So my answer remains, eternally, Bull Style, Spider Style, Wolf Style, and Falcon Style. That's been my answer to this question since 2001, and that will be my answer forever.
              While I also like this idea, it can potentially end up being overly complicated because each style ends up serving two masters (at least to some extent). Because ...well, if you were creating Wolf style, you'd probably end up with something based on team tactics and working together to take down a stronger opponent (and might end up looking a bunch like DB charms). However Iron Wolf Style should A ) be something that seems properly "wolfy" AND B ) be something that a Night Caste might want to buy instead of or in addition to Ebon Shadow Style.

              Now, somewhat ironically, I could imagine Wolf Style working the best, because I could see drawing on the concept of the Lone Wolf or the Stalking Wolf (though Stalking Wolf Style might just be Tiger Style with knives) and those concepts work pretty well for Nights. Alternately, emphasize police working as a team to chase down and catch a criminal and Wolf Pack Style would at least have a reason why it was popular in the First Age.

              However, combining "Social Priest" with "Bullish forcefulness" and "Traveling Guile Hero" with "Bird of Prey" might be hard to manage with one style. And Twilights cover pretty much all the "smart guy" archetypes from "great sage under heaven" to "Artificer" to "Amazing Healer" to "Genius Detective" to "Sorcerer" so it's nearly impossible to create a style that would be useful to even a large subset of them.

              I mean, Tiger was relatively easy, because Martial Arts are fundamentally about violence and Dawns are also fundamentally about violence, so there's an inherent overlap not present in the other castes. All the other castes serve enough different functions that it's hard to build a style that will interest many of them and be true to that animal.


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              • #37
                Originally posted by BrilliantRain View Post
                While I also like this idea, it can potentially end up being overly complicated because each style ends up serving two masters (at least to some extent). Because ...well, if you were creating Wolf style, you'd probably end up with something based on team tactics and working together to take down a stronger opponent (and might end up looking a bunch like DB charms). However Iron Wolf Style should A ) be something that seems properly "wolfy" AND B ) be something that a Night Caste might want to buy instead of or in addition to Ebon Shadow Style.
                We're not gonna force those animal styles into being things that work super well for the Castes that take their names from.


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                • #38
                  Solution: just focus on being wolf-y. The styles don't need to embody the castes, it's just that the castebooks would've been a thematic place to put them.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Stephen Lea Sheppard View Post

                    For Falcon I think the ideal would be something like a style that involves a lot of leaps, but which synergizes unusually well with Lunar forms that allow for flight.

                    But we'll probably never see that. It's not like we're doing a book with a bunch of unanounced MA styles where it would fit perfectly or anything.
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                    • #40
                      I stand by my belief that Spider Style should use nets as it’s form weapon, and Lunars/Beastfolk/Mutants with the appropriate supernatural Merit can apply its Charms to bodily produces webbing too.


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                      • #41
                        Toad, Spider, Lizard, as I want to just have a Five Deadly Venoms set.


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                        • #42
                          I want to see a Chameleon style based on harpoons/garrottes and stealthily shooting and then reeling in your target to you for a killing blow.

                          I want to see a crocodile style about armored grappling (I miss razor harnesses!) and twisting off limbs or suffocating your opponent.

                          I want a snapping turtle style using a shield and an axe, based on building initiative defensively and delivering crippling strikes to weaken your foes' offense to further increase your defensive initiative gain. Definitely include some wiggling tongue charms where you fake an opening in your defense to lure them in for a clash.

                          A pack tactics one would be fun- wolf probably fits, ir clawstrider. Lots of trip attacks and Distract Gambit enhancers for your teammates, maybe some mojo for adding some of your failed dice to an Ally's roll?


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                          • #43
                            As a side note, I am so glad our “Actually remember to publish animal styles” initiative is resulting in so many cool ideas.

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                            • #44
                              I still really like the idea of "Frog Style" being whip based, its central symbolism being the frog's tongue.


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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Blaque View Post
                                Toad, Spider, Lizard, as I want to just have a Five Deadly Venoms set.
                                Scorpion. Spider was not one of the five.


                                Originally posted by glamourweaver View Post
                                I still really like the idea of "Frog Style" being whip based, its central symbolism being the frog's tongue.
                                There's also a potential Thunder Lizard Style, where the whip is the dinosaur's tail. The tail so long that merely by turning around, the beast could whip-crack its enemies with a small thunderclap.


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