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  • marin
    started a topic [Dev Blog] The Lunar Exalted

    [Dev Blog] The Lunar Exalted

    Let's see if this works... New official blog post on Lunars.

  • marin
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    Originally posted by Elfive View Post
    I can't help but feel we've started a very interesting but also very distinct thread here.
    Mm. A bit of musing before we maybe spin this off into its own thing:

    For Terrestrials, Exaltation is very much a particular type of legacy, the legacy of blood family and their place within it.

    For Alchemicals, they are the embodiment of a legacy of heroism, brought to life by Autochthon's power.

    Liminals play up a very different angle on this - they were brought to life through someone else's driving emotions, through someone else's body/bodies. In an existence that has been/is shaped by others, they have to figure out who they are in relation to that.

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  • Elfive
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    I can't help but feel we've started a very interesting but also very distinct thread here.

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  • Blaque
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    The view I think is less like, a soul, which still has this discreet object quality to it, and more like a legacy or title. If that makes any sense. A bit I notice is langauge like "host" or something. It gives this sense of it being a parasite and separate. While being the inheritor of an Exaltation's like, lineage or legacy or whatnot, has a different feel to me about how it exists spaciotemporily.

    This matters especially with Sidereals. The Exaltation isn't so much a thing in the baby when they're born. It's a process that they are part of from birth, that continues whatever their predecessor was a part of.

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  • Elfive
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    A terrestrial exaltation seems to be more rooted in the physical than other types, a bit like alchemicals.

    It's a soul, but one born of the mystic properties of their blood and unable to survive the death of their body.

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  • Sunder the Gold
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    I find it most useful to think of Exaltations -- at least, CELESTIAL Exaltations and their derivatives -- as divine, reincarnating souls born from the celestial gods.

    This is obviously not the case for Alchemicals, Liminals, or Dragon-Blooded. For the Alchemical Exalted, their bodies and condition are their Exaltation. For Liminals, their own personal souls seem indistinguishable from their Exaltation.

    For Dragon-Blooded, Exaltation seems like more of a second lower Po soul than a second higher Hun soul.

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  • Verzio
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    Originally posted by Isator Levi View Post
    At the moment, I'm thinking that taking up a residence and some work might be something that the odd Lunar can manage, but might often be unsatisfying for them in the long term (even if that's on the order of several centuries in relative peace).
    Yeah, that's right about where I am.

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  • Isator Levi
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    ….. Nnnnnnope

    Originally posted by Ghosthead View Post
    Thanks.
    Speaking of Amoth City-Smiter as an example of those gods who are still part of the system despite grating a bit, there was also a thing about how, when there were more Lunars into destroying civilisation on principle, he was said to make use of providing aid to them or hiring them for some specific work that he wanted. Probably aren't going to be as many Lunars of that bent, but that model of interaction can probably work for a few gods.

    At the moment, I'm thinking that taking up a residence and some work might be something that the odd Lunar can manage, but might often be unsatisfying for them in the long term (even if that's on the order of several centuries in relative peace).

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  • Lundgren
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    Originally posted by Blaque View Post
    That's what I meant actually.
    Then we really are reading very different things into that text

    And generally how it's been talkeda bout by devs and the 1e book, which I don't have now. But yeah, when a Sidereal died, itw as a huge blow because well, their replacement and all that.
    I guess I should dig into 1st ed a bit as well

    It's worth noting in 3e "shard" isn't the right term for this, since this is a 3e thread and about Lunars in context of that. It's not quite a host and more like, you're born already Chosen and fated to have a Second Breath. Think it less an object and like, your life is pretty much decided before you were born by the forces of the Maidens.
    And I thought 2nd ed was contradicting itself

    Well, I guess I should remind myself this is a thread about a dev blog for Ex3 Lunars and I'm arguing things that seems to go a bit off topic

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  • Elfive
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    Random First Age Scholar: "Thinking of an exaltation as a distinct object is not particularly accurate, but it is occasionally a useful fiction when trying to understand the process."

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  • Blaque
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    Originally posted by Lundgren View Post

    All I could find is this on page 157:

    While this somewhat supports a "the shard is put in the next host while still in the uterus," I find it also supporting "they sids can track the next host back to the parents before the new host is born" combined with a bit of 2nd ed writing.

    Do you have a page number for what you referred to?
    That's what I meant actually. And generally how it's been talkeda bout by devs and the 1e book, which I don't have now. But yeah, when a Sidereal died, itw as a huge blow because well, their replacement and all that.

    It's worth noting in 3e "shard" isn't the right term for this, since this is a 3e thread and about Lunars in context of that. It's not quite a host and more like, you're born already Chosen and fated to have a Second Breath. Think it less an object and like, your life is pretty much decided before you were born by the forces of the Maidens.

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  • Lundgren
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    Originally posted by Blaque View Post
    It is mentioend again in the book Scroll of Heroes actually. When a Sidereal dies, her successor is conceived shortly after. It is literally their fate to have a Second Breath as a Sidereal when they take their first breath. It's not just that the Maidens take people from lives that fit their Chosen. They select people who will lead lives that lead to them being Chosen.
    All I could find is this on page 157:
    Sidereals are also chosen before they are born,
    destined to Exalt as Viziers. As with Dragon-Blooded,
    weak-willed Sidereals either die early or learn to adapt
    to their situation, accepting their roles as guardians of
    Heaven and fate, however reluctantly. Those Chosen of
    the Maidens who were adventuring heroic mortals look
    at their earlier lives as training sessions that taught them
    valuable lessons.
    While this somewhat supports a "the shard is put in the next host while still in the uterus," I find it also supporting "they sids can track the next host back to the parents before the new host is born" combined with a bit of 2nd ed writing.

    Do you have a page number for what you referred to?

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  • Lundgren
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    Originally posted by Blaque View Post
    It is mentioend again in the book Scroll of Heroes actually. When a Sidereal dies, her successor is conceived shortly after. It is literally their fate to have a Second Breath as a Sidereal when they take their first breath. It's not just that the Maidens take people from lives that fit their Chosen. They select people who will lead lives that lead to them being Chosen.
    Ah, so it is a matter of another case of 2nd ed contradicts itself.

    This is as I gather exactly what happened. Sidereals have had a few major notable generational shifts, those being the Usurpation, Contagion and now a bit ofa die-off now in previous editions. Part of the reason Sidereal deaths are so painful is that i'ts not just a matter of someone experienced showing up in the next hwile. That person might not even be born for a bit.
    A generation shift is one thing (as the Lunars have as well), and having the positions vacant for a couple of decades (assuming Sids normaly Exalts around 20 years of age).

    I also see the Usurpation being a lot more drawn out incident when it comes to Sids dying (and not being in the same numbers).

    That is basically how Sidereal Exaltation works in everything that's talkeda bout it since Sidereals 1e, save the 2e book which for some reason doesn't go into it (and then every book after that it comes up does go into it.)
    As I mentioned earlier, if the shard have already been attached, but being dormant, then it makes sense they are locked out from Exalting as anything else.

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  • Lundgren
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    Originally posted by Ghosthead View Post

    Hmm... I mean, they probably did and were, but a combination of having Fate on your side and rigging things along those lines and Sidereals being able to do Great Contagion medical care for their own lot (but unable to scale to the population as a whole; I mean, Citrine Poxes Style is pretty cool, for one) may have ended up arranging matters so that didn't happen as much. Though I don't know if 2nd hints they lost 9/10 of their numbers or something (oh 2nd, you incorrigible little scamp).
    Second edition says on of the caught it through the Loom (which I find being in contradiction of Yu-Shan closing its gates for a long time). It also mention the Sids was the first to die, fighting the Balorean Crusade (which either ignores the Lunars, or have the Lunars being a lot better at fighting the Crusade).

    So I think they lost far less than 90%, but having to wait from the birth of the new host to the Exaltation would be a much harder blow than having the next Exalt right away even if they "just" lost 40-50%.

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  • Blaque
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    Originally posted by Lundgren View Post
    Interesting. That don't match my interpretation of 2nd edition. Is that from 1st edition?

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    It is mentioend again in the book Scroll of Heroes actually. When a Sidereal dies, her successor is conceived shortly after. It is literally their fate to have a Second Breath as a Sidereal when they take their first breath. It's not just that the Maidens take people from lives that fit their Chosen. They select people who will lead lives that lead to them being Chosen.


    Originally posted by Lundgren View Post
    Your interpretation must have made the Sids extremely understaffed for a couple of decades after the Great Contagion, instead of staffed with a lot of inexperienced Sids. That is, if the Sids lost a lot of their numbers as 2ed hints at.
    This is as I gather exactly what happened. Sidereals have had a few major notable generational shifts, those being the Usurpation, Contagion and now a bit ofa die-off now in previous editions. Part of the reason Sidereal deaths are so painful is that i'ts not just a matter of someone experienced showing up in the next hwile. That person might not even be born for a bit.


    Originally posted by Lundgren View Post
    I agree, because in that case they have sort of already Exalted; just not with any powers yet.
    That is basically how Sidereal Exaltation works in everything that's talkeda bout it since Sidereals 1e, save the 2e book which for some reason doesn't go into it (and then every book after that it comes up does go into it.)

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