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    So how big are the Realm Legions now? Back in 2nd ed and I think in 1st they were each about 5k. But reading the New DragonBlooded book they seem to be bigger over all, like each legion is composed of multiple groups of 5k perhaps?

    Am I misinterpreting this. If they are only 5k per legion then it doesn’t seem like they have the forces to “defend” all the Satrapies and man the Realms military HQs.

    Like right now at present setting the Legions got reshuffled and taken under the wing of the Houses. Before only I think Cathak, Sesus, and Tepet were allowed to raise full on Armies for their houseswhile the Imperial Service controlled the Realm Legions under the Empresses banner, and the other houses had small paramilitary and security forces. In older books they mention the current military is middling compared to the past, or on the lower end but growing as Civil War Brews. And the Realm has the Capacity to grow to over 100 Legions in times of very specific War and Strye, using drafts to press the vast population of the Blessed Isle into an unstoppable force. With say the current army is around 40ish.

    They also seem to emphasize that full on Legions are expensive to support, or raise up from scratch. In 2nd ed it seemed almost trivial to do so, but now each legion has a lot of weight and 3 mishandled Tepet Legions could sink their Great house. It takes more then just A resource 5 expenditure to Raise up an Army, Train then, and fully equip and furnish them.

    Maybe I should put this in the ask the Devs thread, but this seems like a good subject for a thread, discussing realm military potentials.


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    Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
    So how big are the Realm Legions now? Back in 2nd ed and I think in 1st they were each about 5k. But reading the New DragonBlooded book they seem to be bigger over all, like each legion is composed of multiple groups of 5k perhaps?
    As far as I know, it's still about, 5000 infantry and about 2500 auxiliaries (archers, skirmishers, cavalry and engineers).

    Originally posted by Eldagusto
    Am I misinterpreting this. If they are only 5k per legion then it doesn’t seem like they have the forces to “defend” all the Satrapies and man the Realms military HQs.
    I think garrisons might be supplemented a bit by local forces, but keep in mind that a legion includes numerous Exalted, greatly increasing its strength.

    Originally posted by Eldagusto
    In older books they mention the current military is middling compared to the past, or on the lower end but growing as Civil War Brews. And the Realm has the Capacity to grow to over 100 Legions in times of very specific War and Strye, using drafts to press the vast population of the Blessed Isle into an unstoppable force. With say the current army is around 40ish.
    The general line has been that the Realm has had 80 legions at its height, generally around 40, and currently fewer than that (divided between the Houses), with several of them having been disbanded.

    Keep in mind that the inclusion of Exalted limits the number of legions. The Realm is probably never going to raise an army where they'd need to make a mortal the commander.

    Originally posted by Eldagusto
    They also seem to emphasize that full on Legions are expensive to support, or raise up from scratch. In 2nd ed it seemed almost trivial to do so, but now each legion has a lot of weight and 3 mishandled Tepet Legions could sink their Great house. It takes more then just A resource 5 expenditure to Raise up an Army, Train then, and fully equip and furnish them.
    I don't think Resources 5 has been trivial in any Edition.


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    • #3
      Originally posted by Isator Levi View Post
      I don't think Resources 5 has been trivial in any Edition.
      To be fair, a specifically built Essence 5 Green Sun Prince could telekinetically grapple a starling in such a way as to turn it into Resources 5 when it died. And this was technically achievable at character creation.

      But I don't particularly view that as having been a good thing to have included in the game, nor something to aim for in the future.
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      • #4
        There's uncertainty within each edition what Resources actually represents.
        It seems to fluctuate between a measure of a character's revenue stream and their total amassed wealth. I vastly prefer the former because it means an inexhaustable supply of a valuable commodity (possibly via hijinks) doesn't automatically translate to wealth.


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        • #5
          Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
          So how big are the Realm Legions now? Back in 2nd ed and I think in 1st they were each about 5k. But reading the New DragonBlooded book they seem to be bigger over all, like each legion is composed of multiple groups of 5k perhaps?
          A legion has 5,000 legionnaires, roughly 2,000-3,000 skirmishers, and a small assortment of officers and specialists. Auxiliary forces attached to legions in the field vary widely in size and composition.

          Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
          Am I misinterpreting this. If they are only 5k per legion then it doesn’t seem like they have the forces to “defend” all the Satrapies and man the Realms military HQs.
          What you're missing here is that satrapial garrisons aren't composed of legionary forces. The garrisons have always been supplied by the Great Houses, even before the Imperial legions were divvied up among the houses after the Empress' disappearance. They are a completely different set of troops.


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          • #6
            Originally posted by Eric Minton View Post
            A legion has 5,000 legionnaires, roughly 2,000-3,000 skirmishers, and a small assortment of officers and specialists. Auxiliary forces attached to legions in the field vary widely in size and composition.
            Oh, I'd actually been wondering if some attitudes about the composition and operation of legions had changed.

            So does the Realm have homegrown archers now, and not hold them in contempt?


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            • #7
              Originally posted by Isator Levi View Post

              Oh, I'd actually been wondering if some attitudes about the composition and operation of legions had changed.

              So does the Realm have homegrown archers now, and not hold them in contempt?
              Archers held in contempt? I seem to recall the 1000 Correct Action of the Upright Soldier saying that any soldier should be quite good at archery.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Hark View Post
                Archers held in contempt? I seem to recall the 1000 Correct Action of the Upright Soldier saying that any soldier should be quite good at archery.
                And Exalted: the Dragon Blooded and Compass: The Blessed Isle said that they were held in lower regard than the baggage slaves.


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                • #9
                  Consistency, thy name is 2e.

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                  • #10
                    I think we should go with the not-stupid version.

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                    • #11
                      Okay, that's a subject that's probably actually a bit more complicated than many other things in the prior writing, so I'm just going to put that part aside, make it clear that my response was solely concerned with pointing to the basis of my question, and go back to the thing that I asked Eric.


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                      • #12
                        I just hope that the “How to ST a legion” sidebar coming up in The Realm has a satisfying answer to “What does anyone not in the top ranks do with their War Charms.”

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sith_Happens View Post
                          I just hope that the “How to ST a legion” sidebar coming up in The Realm has a satisfying answer to “What does anyone not in the top ranks do with their War Charms.”
                          Probably either lead a smaller battle group that doesn't conform to one of the larger formations or serve as an auxiliary commander to one of the larger battle groups in the event that their it's impractical for their superior to make command actions themselves. i.e. if they're having to split actions while fighting for their life.


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                          • #14
                            If you were to run a battle against a full Realm Legion, that's 7-8 Size 5 battlegroups even without auxiliaries. So 7-8 DBs using War charms to buff/protect while the others duel enemy commanders, chop through enemy formations, cast spells, sneak invisibly through to assassinate the enemy commander, etc.


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                            • #15
                              Y'know it never occurred to me til now that Compass: Blessed Isle's descriptions of the legions basically just shits on wood aspects. No cavalry, archers are looked down on... I mean what's next? They consider field medics a dishonourable form of cheating?

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