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Unless Abandon has explicitly said something, I don't believe he's literally stopping time. He's just moving so fast that for all appearances it looks like time has stopped. Ki Rata has been about being so fast and strong that the opponent has no chance. I don't see it going to literally warping the fabric of spacetime is a result of the style.
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Originally posted by Stephen Lea Sheppard View PostKi Rata's whole thing is that it's incredibly dangerous because it really is just the One Weird Trick that someone figured out that makes you win at fighting, right? It's h4x. It's like regular karate, like, not much more difficult to learn than regular karate, except if you learn it instead of learning karate, you can blow up cities. Whoops! Unfortunate that reality allows for such a thing, better police the hell out of the whole cosmos to ensure nobody spreads or exploits it!
This doesn't really work in any system that assumes equal XP expenditures will lead to somewhat balanced characters. Which, like, I know, I know, Exalted, linear BP/exponential XP, feel free to laugh. But it's still a problem. You can't make a "balanced" version of Ki Rata because there isn't anything to Ki Rata except how unbalanced it is. Being phenomenally, existentially imbalanced is what Ki Rata is.
(Ironically it'd be easy to do in Chuubo's Marvelous Wish-Granting Engine because.)
Also, Knave of Hearts gang reporting in.
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Originally posted by Epimetheus View PostUnless Abandon has explicitly said something, I don't believe he's literally stopping time. He's just moving so fast that for all appearances it looks like time has stopped. Ki Rata has been about being so fast and strong that the opponent has no chance. I don't see it going to literally warping the fabric of spacetime is a result of the style.
Originally posted by Organ Boy View PostKi Rata really feels like it fits more in the Celestial tier of martial arts than the Sidereal one.
Originally posted by Colapso View PostYes, Brawl does not often break the action economy... but neither does Ki Rata that we have seen? Many Charms in Exalted are fluffed precisely like Ki Rata is - Solomon David's ability to just turn a group of people to blood sprays in the span of a single second may as well be represented by a charm that strikes several enemies around you and is just fluffed like you moved fast and hit them all individually (as several multi-target charms are);
So like, yes, we could nerf it enough for it to be applicable in play, and maybe that would be acceptable for non-Exalted and Terrestrial-medium practitioners of the style, true. But Ki Rata practiced on the Mastery (Solar/Sidereal) level would either lose the core thing which makes it unique, or become vastly less powerful than described.
In short, my point is that Ki Rata as described in the comic, on the tabletop should actually let you launch 10k decisive attacks as one of it capstones before resetting you to base initiative, not just fluff-stunt that you're doing so. This is obviously unreasonably imbalanced.Last edited by Altasaire; 02-09-2021, 05:29 AM.
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Originally posted by Isator Levi View Post
Being permissive enough of what counted as people being in line of sight and presuming an accessible vantage point from which to view all of Creation weren't exactly mechanics problems.
I mean, i know it wasn't the most problematic SMA out there, not by a wide margin, but that was only because few other styles were broken beyond reason.
Still, getting back to the topic, Grandmother Spider Mastery is exactly what the "mass hit" ability of Ki Rata might look like.
The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.
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So, last few updates have made it clear that apparently Solomon isn't literally stopping time. Mottom was able to use magic to magic up a weapon for him to start using while he was in the middle of punching the hell out of someone in 'stopped time' so he is just moving so fast that he might as well be stopping time. Which is just slightly less hax then literally stopping time. Also, link only instead of image because of Mottom's kind of NSFW side boob
https://killsixbilliondemons.com/wp-...1/02/BOI31.jpgLast edited by Mizu; 02-19-2021, 04:47 PM.
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Originally posted by Sith_Happens View PostThe basic principle of “Concentrate lots of essence into a pinprick” is premium Exalted martial arts material, the question is what that should do in terms of how to wring ten Charms out of it.
Clear Breaths of Annihilation, A Sidereal Martial Arts Style
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Hmmm. I love Kill Six Billion Demons and lov Ki Rata; but like SLS said I don't think it really fits with the milieu of Exalted Martial Arts of any kind. It's not really a job or an archetype or a concept; it's just a way of channeling essence that's BIGGER and STRONGER than all the others.
That's... not what Martial Arts do in Exalted. In Exalted they gotta be balanced around one another. So even though each has its own niche you can't certify that one is absolutely better than another.
Which, is basically the only thing we know about Ki Rata from the fiction. You could more closely emulate it with a selection of Solar Brawl, Integrity, and Resistance charms turned up so far as to break off the knob. You could certainly make a Brawl Supernal Solar Solomon David in Exalted, and give him a Martial Arts tree that mostly stole evocations from Gnomon; but he's not going to be destroying cities in one blow.
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