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  • #91
    Are there any animals besides boars and bears that have Berserker?

    And which is the best animal for a berserker build?


    I run... Lunars: The Apocalypse! Exalted 3rd edition. Fimbulwinter is upon the world as an Ice Age begins, and only six young Lunar heroes have a chance of saving humanity.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by The Wizard of Oz View Post
      Are there any animals besides boars and bears that have Berserker?

      And which is the best animal for a berserker build?
      I don't think there are any others in core or lunars.
      I'd probably say a hell boar is better than a bear, unless you like to grapple.
      Boars get bone-crunching bite, trample+Deathstomp (+5 decisive against prone, knock people prone with an attack after rushing them), +2 soak, a join-battle enhancing, and overwhelming 5.
      Bears get some grapple-enhancers, devour the weak (+5 decisive damage against a crashed enemy, 1/crash), +1 damage, and a lower-damage attack with 12 dice to hit. Also ferocious cub guardian, which if you need to defend other and can argue someone counts as either your young or your master is good.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by autXautY View Post

        I don't think there are any others in core or lunars.
        I searched and couldn't find any; I wondered if there were any in Hundred Devils. I don't think so though.

        Thanks for the advice. The boar does look better, though Ferocious Cub Guardian is interesting.



        I run... Lunars: The Apocalypse! Exalted 3rd edition. Fimbulwinter is upon the world as an Ice Age begins, and only six young Lunar heroes have a chance of saving humanity.

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        • #94
          So as an alternative to Falcon Style, I think Strix has some nice traits to enable fall damage abuse.

          First it doesn't have to use mutations to fly, so you can initiate grapples while flying without penalties. Which means you can Kraken-Arm Lash from medium range height without taking that -3 you would with the wings mutation.

          Secondly it has Eagle Wing Rush, which lets you rush from long range, combine this with Ferocious Hound Persuit you can move one range band instantly from long to medium on a rush, not counting as your move action.

          Third it can savage and drag a victim along with any movement action without taking Restrain.

          This lets you start a round from long range height, rush to medium thanks to Eagle Wing + Ferocious Hound, Kraken Arm Lash, withering savage to get your initiative back, reflexively move up to long and Release (reflexive) for long range fall damage shaving of ~10 HLs. Ready to repeat this all next round, starting and ending every round at long range which is a huge pain in the ass for anyone on the ground trying to fight back.

          If you decide to go in on a decisive savage you can also peck out peoples eyes with the predatory bird latent ability which is pretty neat.

          Ideally you want Extra Limbs mutation + Cunning Beast Warrior reflexes so you can rush without taking any penalty on the grapple attack or to your defense.

          A less costly version of this (both mote and intiative wise and for investment) is of course to just start at medium, pick up and drop the first guy from long, next round go down to medium and pick and drop there, next round pick and drop from long etc, only ending your turn and dropping at long range every other round.

          Edit: With Eagle Eye, Night Vision, and Swooping Descent this also gets even scarier on a dark night where strix lunar can re-establish stealth.
          Last edited by limaxophobiac; 09-29-2019, 08:27 PM.

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          • #95
            Honestly, turning into a giant version of a bird of prey that grabs animals and flies off with them... does indeed seem like it ought to be a powerful choice if your strategy is to grab people and fly off with it.


            I run... Lunars: The Apocalypse! Exalted 3rd edition. Fimbulwinter is upon the world as an Ice Age begins, and only six young Lunar heroes have a chance of saving humanity.

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            • #96
              Oh I've tried figuring out just silly you can get with Terrifying Dragon Roar + Predators Menace (since Vance said they were technically compatible) using appearance charms and oh boy.

              Myriad Graces Appeal (6 non-charm dice from appearance against base Resolve 5 opponents with Perfect Symmetry up) + Terrifying Bestial Visage (3 non-charm dice in predatory forms) really push it way over the top.

              It's possible at character creation (though not XP/BP efficient), on a one-point stunt as a changing moon, to make this intimidation roll with 33 dice, double 9s, and buy one extra success with WP*, for an average 20.8 successes with margin of success x2 initiative lost for all enemies.

              So while they might be read as compatible I'm starting to think they probably shouldn't be.

              *since you're an Apex Predator and are about to get showered in WP from crashes anyway
              Last edited by limaxophobiac; 09-30-2019, 07:56 PM.

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              • #97
                Ah, it’s always a pleasant surprise when people take your build ideas further.

                I’m currently digesting the implications and will comment more later.

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                • #98
                  Hmm, I'm feeling a bit inspired to go back and work on a build I had put down for a while.

                  Which one? Why, glad you asked...




                  Its the Tiger (Spirit Shape) Tiger Stylist of course! AKA how to add your Strength 4x to your damage for a +30 base damage attack.
                  Last edited by prototype00; 01-07-2020, 10:03 AM.

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                  • #99
                    Hmmm... Is it purely Tiger style+Lunar charms, or are there other MAs as well? Because there's a lot of styles with +damage charms right at the beginning.


                    I run... Lunars: The Apocalypse! Exalted 3rd edition. Fimbulwinter is upon the world as an Ice Age begins, and only six young Lunar heroes have a chance of saving humanity.

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                    • Originally posted by The Wizard of Oz View Post
                      Hmmm... Is it purely Tiger style+Lunar charms, or are there other MAs as well? Because there's a lot of styles with +damage charms right at the beginning.
                      I'll see what I can rustle up. The Core of the build is of course:

                      - Max Str
                      - Str Excellency
                      - Deadly Claw Blow
                      - Tiger Form
                      - DBT

                      The +30 base damage comes from that alone, really (and artifact tiger claws or whatnot).

                      prototype00

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                      • So if I'm reading this right, you're getting +5 withering damage from Strength, +10 from the razor claws, +5 more from DBT, and doubling up to 5 attack successes for pre-soak damage via Tiger form (effectively +5 dice if you roll well, which you should be using Deadly Claw Blow). So that's 20-25 presoak dice, plus your extra successes. I'm guessing the remaining +5 is stunting the Strength excellency to include another high attribute (Dex maybe, though Appearance would be amusing if you emphasize your dreadful mien as you tear your foes to shreds). Or is there another +5 I'm missing? I don't think the Strength Excellency can do that by itself without a stunt, since DBT is already providing the basic +Strength bonus to your Charm-dice limit.

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                        • Originally posted by Reminiscent Oasis View Post
                          So if I'm reading this right, you're getting +5 withering damage from Strength, +10 from the razor claws, +5 more from DBT, and doubling up to 5 attack successes for pre-soak damage via Tiger form (effectively +5 dice if you roll well, which you should be using Deadly Claw Blow). So that's 20-25 presoak dice, plus your extra successes. I'm guessing the remaining +5 is stunting the Strength excellency to include another high attribute (Dex maybe, though Appearance would be amusing if you emphasize your dreadful mien as you tear your foes to shreds). Or is there another +5 I'm missing? I don't think the Strength Excellency can do that by itself without a stunt, since DBT is already providing the basic +Strength bonus to your Charm-dice limit.
                          Ah, but the beauty is that there is no Charm-dice limit for things that aren't Attribute+Ability, like Damage. You can pile on every single Charm and they'll all stack (just don't miss).

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                          • Originally posted by Reminiscent Oasis View Post
                            So if I'm reading this right, you're getting +5 withering damage from Strength, +10 from the razor claws, +5 more from DBT, and doubling up to 5 attack successes for pre-soak damage via Tiger form (effectively +5 dice if you roll well, which you should be using Deadly Claw Blow). So that's 20-25 presoak dice, plus your extra successes. I'm guessing the remaining +5 is stunting the Strength excellency to include another high attribute (Dex maybe, though Appearance would be amusing if you emphasize your dreadful mien as you tear your foes to shreds). Or is there another +5 I'm missing? I don't think the Strength Excellency can do that by itself without a stunt, since DBT is already providing the basic +Strength bonus to your Charm-dice limit.
                            Revisiting my calculations you are indeed right. It seems to be only +25 pre other charms. +30 with the stunted Strength Excellency. If you are willing to dip White Reaper, it’s an easy +35, +40 if you are Dex/Str focused and willing to dip snake.

                            Deadly Claw blow also has some restrictions upon re-reading and razor claws might be a no go. I might have to find a way to route around that...
                            Last edited by prototype00; 01-07-2020, 09:36 PM.

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                            • Here's an attempt at a death kitty sorcerer (that morphed into a raiton since flying at medium range and raining sorcery on people is hard to deal with. On the other hand, between control Death of Obsidian Butterflies and Underfoot Menace you can get near a free full excellency )

                              Shadowed Wings
                              No Moon Lunar - Raiton Totem
                              Shapes - Raiton, Cat, Rat, Trout, Owl, Horse, Tiger, 5 insignificant humans

                              Attributes:
                              Dexterity 5 (F), Stamina 2, Strength 1
                              Appearance 5 (F), Charisma 4, Manipulation 1
                              Intelligence 5 (C), Perception 5 (C), Wits 2

                              Willpower: 8

                              Abilities:
                              Dodge 5
                              Occult 5
                              Brawl 3
                              Lore 3
                              Medicine 3
                              Presence 3
                              Performance 3
                              Socialize 3
                              Stealth 3
                              Linguistics 1

                              Specialties: Dodge (As Tiny Creature), Occult (Sorcery), Presence (Being Spooky), Stealth (As Tiny Creature)

                              Iodam

                              Merits:
                              Hearts Blood 1, Stolen Faces 1, Enhanced Sense (Scent) 3 [Tell], Contacts (Silver Pact) 3, Greenfriend 1, Ever-Blossoming Mastery 2

                              Latent Abilities: Underfoot Menace

                              Charms:
                              Flesh-Sculpting Art
                              Sharing Luna's Gifts
                              Penumbra Witch Mastery
                              Perceiving the Hidden World
                              Terrestrial Circle Sorcery
                              Root-Lore: Thousand Blossom Arts
                              Control Death of Obsidian Butterflies
                              Many-Faced Moon Transformation
                              Feral Smile Tactic
                              Subtle Silver Declaration
                              Moon's Hidden Face
                              Changing Plumage Mastery
                              One of the Herd
                              Agile Beast Defense
                              Bending Before the Storm
                              Demon of the First Circle
                              Wood Dragon's Claw
                              Last edited by autXautY; 01-07-2020, 09:37 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by autXautY View Post
                                Here's an attempt at a death kitty sorcerer (that morphed into a raiton since flying at medium range and raining sorcery on people is hard to deal with)

                                Shadowed Wings
                                No Moon Lunar - Raiton Totem
                                Shapes - Raiton, Cat, Rat, Trout, Owl, Horse, Tiger, 5 insignificant humans

                                Attributes:
                                Dexterity 5 (F), Stamina 2, Strength 1
                                Appearance 5 (F), Charisma 4, Manipulation 1
                                Intelligence 5 (C), Perception 5 (C), Wits 2

                                Willpower: 8

                                Abilities:
                                Dodge 5
                                Occult 5
                                Brawl 3
                                Lore 3
                                Medicine 3
                                Presence 3
                                Performance 3
                                Socialize 3
                                Stealth 3
                                Linguistics 1

                                Specialties: Dodge (As Tiny Creature), Occult (Sorcery), Presence (Being Spooky), Stealth (As Tiny Creature)

                                Iodam

                                Merits:
                                Hearts Blood 1, Stolen Faces 1, Enhanced Sense (Scent) 3 [Tell], Contacts (Silver Pact) 3, Greenfriend 1, Ever-Blossoming Mastery 2

                                Latent Abilities: Underfoot Menace

                                Charms:
                                Flesh-Sculpting Art
                                Sharing Luna's Gifts
                                Penumbra Witch Mastery
                                Perceiving the Hidden World
                                Terrestrial Circle Sorcery
                                Root-Lore: Thousand Blossom Arts
                                Control Death of Obsidian Butterflies
                                Many-Faced Moon Transformation
                                Feral Smile Tactic
                                Subtle Silver Declaration
                                Moon's Hidden Face
                                Changing Plumage Mastery
                                One of the Herd
                                Agile Beast Defense
                                Bending Before the Storm
                                Demon of the First Circle
                                Wood Dragon's Claw
                                Hmm if you are willing to go chimera, you could have a flying Death Kitty. (I’m assuming the Death kitty angle is for accuracy with spells and Evasion?)

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