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  • #46
    Lunar War Form doesn’t inflict the Delirium or carry greater risks of uncontrollable frenzy, so I still don’t know what you’re talking about.

    I feel like you are on a perpendicular train of thought.

    Why do you keep talking about the Garou when the Lunars are not Garou?


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    • #47
      He’s not talking about the Lunar warform, Sunder.

      He’s comparing Lunar tricksters who ruin people’s lives at the drop of a hat, to Werewolf warriors who resort to overwhelming violence at the drop of a hat.

      Yes, Crinos form is not the exact same thing as being a Tricksy Bastard. We know.

      The point is that these may seem like easy solutions to one’s problems, but one can very well end up regretting it, when one finally realizes how pissing enough people off has welded them together into a unit willing to work together to put one’s head on a spike at any cost.
      Last edited by TheCountAlucard; 05-31-2019, 10:44 PM.

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      • #48
        Did Saur Ops Specialist really think he couldn't lead with "dishonest habits lead to bad ends", and I would not understand or agree with him?

        There was no need to be coy about referring to the Garou, and there was no need to draw equivalency between Crinos and deception. That just seemed so fruitlessly off-topic that I didn't bother trying to understand the rest.


        I don't deny the problems caused by deception. I allude to them in my first post, and I outright said that the duplicitous and larcenous side of Lunar Essence isn't something I'm very comfortable with.

        When I said that "deception makes things easier for the Lunar Exalted", readers should understand this within the context established in the first post: "Deception makes [Lunar Charms work better]".

        Short-term ease.


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        • #49
          Originally posted by Sunder the Gold View Post
          Did Saur Ops Specialist really think he couldn't lead with "dishonest habits lead to bad ends", and I would not understand or agree with him?
          I can't say; I can't read minds.

          ​Anyway, this whole line of discussion's got me thinking of that scene in Anansi Boys in which Fat Charlie Nancy speaks with the other figures from Anansi's stories, and how eagerly the Bird Woman agrees to help him out with his little spider problem. I can easily see something similar occurring with a Lunar's Moon-Touched children or beastfolk champions.
          Last edited by TheCountAlucard; 06-01-2019, 11:38 AM.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Sunder the Gold View Post
            Did Saur Ops Specialist really think he couldn't lead with "dishonest habits lead to bad ends", and I would not understand or agree with him?

            There was no need to be coy about referring to the Garou, and there was no need to draw equivalency between Crinos and deception. That just seemed so fruitlessly off-topic that I didn't bother trying to understand the rest.
            I'm not clear on how drawing the parallel between two systems of incentivization was that off. At the very least, not after the first clarification.

            I don't deny the problems caused by deception. I allude to them in my first post, and I outright said that the duplicitous and larcenous side of Lunar Essence isn't something I'm very comfortable with.

            When I said that "deception makes things easier for the Lunar Exalted", readers should understand this within the context established in the first post: "Deception makes [Lunar Charms work better]".

            Short-term ease.
            You also said that it made their lives easier. That seems to stray outside of this context.

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            • #51
              While I don't claim to be an expert on folklore and culture myths, a look at African folk tales can be interesting and useful. Many of them are trickster stories with less of an emphasis on a black-and-white dichotomy of "honesty" and "dishonesty." "Trickery" in this context is an extension/culmination of virtues like cleverness, situational awareness, and resourcefulness. When you're in a situation that power can't solve, and you don't have the ability to get more power, you use what you have. It is, at the risk of getting in over my head in terms of thematic exploration, a less hegemonic, industrialist viewpoint of culture-heroism and problem-solving. One in which the end result of any given story isn't necessarily resolution, but navigation.

              Lunars use whatever's at hand, including things that strictly speaking do not belong to them. This makes them fairly ideal foils to the Dragon-Blooded, who are naturally more hegemonic and dependent on what they own.

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