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  • #16
    Originally posted by Sorcerous Overlord View Post
    The newest godzilla is the skyscraper size. It's extreme range from it's feet to its head. It's beyond the scale of basic hitpoints, i'd make it a series of fights to bring down like Shadow of the Colossus.
    Goddamnit. Now I have to play Shadow of the Colossus again.

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    • #17
      Hmmm... Well, yeah, as noted opponents of any size can be defeatable by Solars as a sole-guy, if you chose to stat them up in such a way that you can do the Wander/Kratos route of "I clamber around on its enormous body and then stab it with magic / poisoned / magic poisoned / macguffin dagger in its weak point".

      That is, more or less the classic mythological way that Bard gets Smaug (and to some degree as the Jack slays the giant, and David gets Goliath and so on).

      So for the purposes of response I'm assuming that this question is more in the vein of already thinking about this, assuming that you don't want to stat up them up this way, and have the conflicts play out this way, can you stat up an enormous monster (to the scale of Godzilla in new film) and have them have a "stand up" fight with that monster. That is without absurd implications like the monster being comparatively toothless against battlegroups of mortals and so on.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

        Well, there are also city-destroying magma monster in 3e to compare notes. A statement of one former developer, GCG, indicated that the Exalted are supposed to grow to meet challenges if plunked down in other settings.
        Got quotes for both those statements? They sound interesting.

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        • #19
          It's occurred to me that, in terms of Kaiju defense teams, the Lunar Exalted have the most potential as first-responders and scouts compared to the other Exalted.

          Leaving aside how much easier it is for Lunars to patrol a territory they've claimed, even a Lunar chilling back at the home base can transit to the intruder as the crow flies and then nigh-instantly transform into a giant monster themselves to immediately engage the target while their warstrider-dependent partner is getting to their mecha and suiting up.

          The Lunar is losing her own health from damage, as well as personally suffering any poisons or diseases the beast inflicts, and she's bleeding motes from maintaining her giant size, so by the time the Terrestrial or Solar arrives in the warstrider, the Lunar likely needs the backup, and might even need to retreat entirely.


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          • #20
            A question. Have I missed something, or is the spell for conjuring a warstride around yourself still around?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Accelerator View Post
              Got quotes for both those statements? They sound interesting.
              The first is Mahicara, a mile-high behemoth made of molten rock.

              As well as Legendary Size, it has seperate health levels (a lot of health levels) for its head, torso, legs and arms, and you have to attack each seperarely. If you destroy one, Mahaicara can't use that part, but the others still function fine (even if you destroy the torso, it becomes a big blob of lava but with legs and arms sticking out that still work). Also, destroyed parts slowly regenerate (though it is quite slow) so you have to destroy all 6 before any come back, to actually kill it.


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              • #22
                Originally posted by Accelerator View Post
                A question. Have I missed something, or is the spell for conjuring a warstride around yourself still around?
                It's never been published or hinted at in 3e. Also, Vance I think said that he didn't want to bring it back because it devalues actually having a Warstrider (which is a big investment).


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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Accelerator View Post
                  Got quotes for both those statements? They sound interesting.
                  The statement by GCG, while admittedly loose, is here. Someone else described the magma monster Mahicara before this post; you can find it in the monthly monster mashes for EX3.

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                  • #24
                    There was that other behemoth earlier on, the larval one. I believe that it had special gambits provided as an option for breaking it down in a manner somewhat easier than straight up killing it?

                    For something of the enormous size and destructive power that we see of the Titans there (even the less apex ones such as Rodan), I could see a Circle of Solars who are either Essence 5 or are well-invested in some good, complementary Supernals being able to take on such an entity, albeit at great risk. Some decent and appropriate Artifacts would really help; warstriders are of course the pinnacle of that (where the size is less significant with the kind of power that they can leverage against gigantic things; Cathedral of Sublime Annihilation is nowhere near as big as any Godzilla, and yet its pinnacle power might be kind of as destructive as the atomic breath).

                    Such a fight should probably be modelled in terms of gambits and/or health tracks for different bodily components to convey the sheer scale of such an entity, and cover the likely process of something human-sized fighting it.

                    Given the likely risks involved, I would say that many practical-minded Solars of the First Age would want to incorporate a good deal of support from Essence artillery and powerful war vehicles. Hell, many would probably see it as a better option on several levels to employ powerful sorceries to placate and subdue such entities in a manner ensuring less risk to lives or landscape; it would explain the number of horrors sealed away rather than killed.

                    That said, if such an entity appeared in the Time of Tumult, it may be that nothing can stop it; I would doubt any living Solars have reached the heights of power in even their Supernals, and such weapons as could drive such a giant back are either lost or inoperable. Possibly the might of the Aerial Legion might suffice, although I would imagine the collateral damage to be quite large.

                    As Lunar confrontations go, I see a lot of potential in the backstory of Karvara in which a better option that turning gigantic and wrestling with them is to go relatively small, burrow deep, and mess around with their ligaments or nervous systems. Imagine turning into a gigantic version of that worm that nest in eyes, in combination with certain psychedelic Charms that confuse the creature about where it's going, leading it into a very deep canyon or the depths of the ocean.


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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Isator Levi View Post
                      There was that other behemoth earlier on, the larval one. I believe that it had special gambits provided as an option for breaking it down in a manner somewhat easier than straight up killing it?
                      Yeah, and I think that definitely makes sense for big ones.

                      That said, if such an entity appeared in the Time of Tumult, it may be that nothing can stop it; I would doubt any living Solars have reached the heights of power in even their Supernals, and such weapons as could drive such a giant back are either lost or inoperable. Possibly the might of the Aerial Legion might suffice, although I would imagine the collateral damage to be quite large.
                      Well, I doubt many Solars could stop it, since Solars are generally not that powerful, but surely Lunars or Sidereals? Someone like Leviathan or Raksi, with a pack of experienced followers? Or the leaders of the Sidereal host? (Who are more likely to be upset by a giant monster attacking the Imperial City than Lunars are...)
                      Possibly using the burrowing tactic you mentioned, of course.


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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by The Wizard of Oz View Post
                        Yeah, and I think that definitely makes sense for big ones.
                        It occurs to me that mister volcano behemoth is something like ten times bigger than King Ghidorah.

                        I... kind of wonder if he might practically do with being scaled down a touch.

                        Originally posted by The Wizard of Oz
                        Well, I doubt many Solars could stop it, since Solars are generally not that powerful, but surely Lunars or Sidereals? Someone like Leviathan or Raksi, with a pack of experienced followers? Or the leaders of the Sidereal host? (Who are more likely to be upset by a giant monster attacking the Imperial City than Lunars are...)
                        Possibly using the burrowing tactic you mentioned, of course.
                        I don't know why my mind drew a blank on that at the time; I think I was too much in the space of ways in which Solar powers can end up having broader scope than the other Celestials. But when it came to something such as going for such an entity's vulnerable spots and striking with immense power, precise incision, or some kind of malady, there are certainly a decent number of Lunars between Essence 4 and 7 who could gather to do it, and Sidereals presumably have some recourse (although even with their Martial Arts, I wouldn't expect them to take such a thing head on).

                        Mind, if Godzilla or King Ghidorah appeared in the setting, there are probably plenty of Lunars that would work to just point them at the Blessed Isle and rampage around for the next few decades. They'd be like Cartman and Cthulhu.


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                        • #27
                          Would that many Lunars turn a blind eye to all the death and suffering that would inflict on the Realm's non-Dragonblooded inhabitants? I get fighting against mortals that are arrayed in an army against you as necessary collateral damage, but it seems like siccing that big a behemoth on a civilian population might be beyond the pale.

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                          • #28
                            Hmmm... it's a fair point, but I suspect the more powerful a Lunar is, the less bothered they'd be about ordinary Realm citizens dying, and the more they'd consider it an acceptable price, due to a)alienation from common humanity, and b)radicalisation due to their long war.

                            Still, some would. Though there's the issue of course that, while they may not be happy about Realm civilians dying, they may not prioritise stopping it over stopping some issue in the Threshold.

                            It's possible though.

                            Although, of course, surely the genre-position of Godzilla or Mothra or whatever in the setting is that they are Lunars. Hence being giant animal creatures, rather than, say, a giant magma man.

                            (Jira, a mutated energy-breathing Full Moon T-Rex/Stegadon chimera who calls his totem form God-Jira, was a character concept of mine. But we don't really have any game where smashing cities into paste is a big thing for me to play him. I'm hoping that in my own Lunar game, some of the PCs will pick up giant forms later so I can have them fight DBs in Warstriders.)
                            Last edited by The Wizard of Oz; 06-11-2019, 06:51 PM.


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                            • #29
                              I say Jira and Mosura may match Gaian Devas the way they're talked about in the movie

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Matt the Bruins fan View Post
                                Would that many Lunars turn a blind eye to all the death and suffering that would inflict on the Realm's non-Dragonblooded inhabitants? I get fighting against mortals that are arrayed in an army against you as necessary collateral damage, but it seems like siccing that big a behemoth on a civilian population might be beyond the pale.
                                I would find it quite doubtful that any Lunar is even familiar with a local equivalent to the concept of "civilian". A specific term for such non-combatants in English is barely 200 years old.

                                Throughout history, there have been innumerable conflicts in which the larger part of war did not consist of opposing armies very cordially opting to only engage against one another, but of rampaging around the countryside burning, pillaging and massacring. Many who don't die to the sword will go by the ensuing famine and plague, and such a thing is often the strategic point. Besieged forts and cities in particular have been prone to some of the worst and most concentrated atrocities prior to the industrial era; an army that has been forced to wait for extended periods of time in some of the worst conditions before they can get past those walls is going to have a lot of anger to resolve, all over that "civilian" population. Heck, the Mongols made such a fate an advertised matter of policy to encourage cities to surrender without a fight.

                                Look at the Lunar schools and dominions in Fangs at the Gate, and tell me which sample Lunar seems particularly averse to directing massive violence against non-combatants in service to the enemy (besides the one who has been an avowed pacifist and is explicitly living in isolation from the wider conflicts).

                                EDIT: Although the concept of non-combatants to not be targeted first is a bit older, but not by much.

                                Here's a thing worth considering; the peasants of the Blessed Isle regularly engage in revolts against the local authorities. Where does one think that the weapons for such come from?

                                How about the number of weapons that are well known to have originated as farming tools?

                                When Flemish commoners banded together to oppose French royal interference, many went into battle carrying large pieces of wood with big nails sticking out of them. They called their weapons "good mornings".

                                A big part of the reason that there wasn't a notion of civilians before that time was because a lot more people went armed, and would almost definitely murder invaders if they got the chance.

                                You see something similar in the mindset of modern soldiers who have been posted in Iraq and Afghanistan. That's unfortunately a case in which not all of the local people are carrying arms with an intent to kill soldiers, and that uncertainty just contributes to their tension and dread. Those are soldiers whose conception of civilians has evidently become a bit spongy.
                                Last edited by Isator Levi; 06-11-2019, 10:01 PM.


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