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  • Originally posted by Accelerator View Post
    Just what kind of people are chosen as exalted?
    Quite a few. Poets and historians, surgeons and sailors, thieves and killers, princes and prostitutes, smiths and savants, monks and madmen.


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    • Originally posted by TheCountAlucard View Post
      Quite a few. Poets and historians, surgeons and sailors, thieves and killers, princes and prostitutes, smiths and savants, monks and madmen.
      The kinds of people who are willing to use the power. And enact great change in the world.

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      • Originally posted by TheCountAlucard View Post
        ​(Also, the superhero universes' attempts to remain "in a recognizable reality" makes them even weirder - the fact that Tony Stark has these fantastical holographic computers that are controlled with hand gestures and voice commands all the way back in 2008, and folks are still just getting regular-ass Mac computers at the Apple store when Steve Rogers pops by one in 2014, makes the setting that much more jarring. The DCEU's Earth got openly attacked by city-destroying costumed aliens three times in three years, why are you journalists acting like the guy who believes in Atlantis is so weird?)
        It's actually a deeper problem than that because it also affects where superheroes and supervillains get their powers from. They're exceptional people that stand apart from the rest as demigods in power. Most people luck into that by birth or accident just because it's a convenient way to explain why there's only one of them instead of a whole world of them.

        It also makes storytelling really really really hard. Either you're Batman, and your city sucks but you're trying really hard to fix it and always seeming to fall short, because as soon as you do fix it the story is over, or you're Superman, who lives in the near utopia of Metropolis and is always defending the status quo because the status quo is awesome under the watch of the supremely powerful and benevolent hero.

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        • Originally posted by Accelerator View Post
          The kinds of people who are willing to use the power. And enact great change in the world.
          Or succumb to a world that’s much larger than them. Or be outfoxed by a crafty mortal. Or fall to despair at the sight of how cruel humans can be to their fellows. Or become part of the system that oppresses the people they used to be. Or remain ignorant of the problems that need addressing, wasting billions of dollars and man-hours on a vanity project while the world burns.

          The future ain’t written in stone, after all, and the story is far less fun if there’s no possibility for failure.
          Last edited by TheCountAlucard; 12-18-2019, 04:50 AM.


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          • There's innate problems with shared universes, imagine if we had to try and reconcile all our chronicles as taking place in the same world.


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            • Originally posted by TheCountAlucard View Post
              Or succumb to a world that’s much larger than them. Or be outfoxed by a crafty mortal. Or fall to despair at the sight of how cruel humans can be to their fellows. Or become part of the system that oppresses the people they used to be. Or remain ignorant of the problems that need addressing, wasting billions of dollars and man-hours on a vanity project while the world burns.

              The future ain’t written in stone, after all, and the story is far less fun if there’s no possibility for failure.
              Of course you can fail. Of course you can lose. But heres the thing. As long as that exalt isn't dead and refuses to give up? Then he's going to win eventually. Excellencies, charms. Longevity. And pure power assure that, if nothing else.

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              • Originally posted by Accelerator View Post

                The kinds of people who are willing to use the power. And enact great change in the world.

                This falls flat if it assumes that an Exalt will not think great change occurs by working with the government. There's no reason said great change can't be in line with a government or corporations plan. Why wouldn't an exalted think helping an existing power structure wouldn't be to their liking? Not all of them want to be kings. There's a solar working for the Prefect of Paragon, for goodness sake! Plenty of people who want to see change in the world co-operate with government and corporate powers. It's how those powers _get_ there.


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                • Originally posted by Accelerator View Post

                  Of course you can fail. Of course you can lose. But heres the thing. As long as that exalt isn't dead and refuses to give up? Then he's going to win eventually. Excellencies, charms. Longevity. And pure power assure that, if nothing else.
                  Not necessarily, they could just keep trying for 1,000 years making some headway and then backsliding, and going back and forth without making much progress. If the forces arrayed against them are vast enough and dedicated enough they might die of old age before completing their goal.

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                  • Originally posted by Accelerator View Post
                    Of course you can fail. Of course you can lose. But heres the thing. As long as that exalt isn't dead and refuses to give up? Then he's going to win eventually.
                    And yet the setting still has slavery, drug addiction, cruel or indolent gods, sickness, and poverty. Do no Exalts care about these things? Or is their victory over these conditions not as inevitable after all?


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                    • There's also a big difference between specific exalts and exalts in general. A specific twilight might be able to infiltrate the global economy and manipulate it to take over the world, but a bunch of other twilights might just not be that good. Generally in Exalted the kinds of feats that your PCs can accomplish with their charms, if you try hard, represent the greatest abilities even among other Exalted.

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                      • Originally posted by Accelerator View Post

                        Yes. I guess so. But I mean, how many exalts can you actually bribe to not be completely disruptive?
                        Given the Realm contains 15000 or so exalts, nearly all of which aren't completely disruptive.
                        Plus Prasad and Lookshy
                        ... at least 80%

                        The bribe involves paying them an average person's lifetime salary every .. two months or so, but it is possible.

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                        • Originally posted by Lioness View Post
                          There's innate problems with shared universes, imagine if we had to try and reconcile all our chronicles as taking place in the same world.
                          Hell, it's hard enough just slipping in Exalts and NPCs from previous chronicles I've run as Easter eggs.


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                          • Originally posted by Epee102 View Post


                            This falls flat if it assumes that an Exalt will not think great change occurs by working with the government. There's no reason said great change can't be in line with a government or corporations plan. Why wouldn't an exalted think helping an existing power structure wouldn't be to their liking? Not all of them want to be kings. There's a solar working for the Prefect of Paragon, for goodness sake! Plenty of people who want to see change in the world co-operate with government and corporate powers. It's how those powers _get_ there.
                            Yeah, to go back to the example of DC for example there's no reason an Exalt wouldn't join the Justice League if before Exalting they knew about them as the people keeping their neighbourhood safe. Not only does the JL have a crack record for taking on anyone from actual robots to the actual Wrath of God, but villains tend to be really dysfunctional and mostly held together as a group by ego and spite. Coupled with how it's recently been shown that normal DC humans such as Kamandi, Catman and Black Canary are some of the most dangerous beings in existence and capable of defeating multiverse creator killers in hand to hand combat, and being part of the JL is just plain an easier life than being in it's way.

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                            • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjQ2t_yNHQs

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                              I think that there's great potential here, for a dozen or so Exaltation stories to fall into an alternate earth or so, where Aliens are falling. Some dude able to jack a laptop into the Alien mothership and then send in a virus irregardless of incompatible OS and firewalls? Obviously a few solar charms. Resistance leader that is a teenager capable of leading troops against advanced alien tech? Obviously a dragonblooded general. The aliens constantly seem to have bad luck, get idiot balls, fuck up in ways that advanced civilisations usually don't, and usually just seem to be screwed at every turn? Obviously a Sidereal at work. Aliens get infiltrated? Lunars at work.

                              Hell, being able to grab an alien spaceship, reverse engineer it, and then put the tech into your own civilisation is something I can see the Exalted doing. It's part of their schtick, after all, putting down the power bows and then taking up the laser beam cannons.

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                              • Originally posted by Accelerator View Post
                                I think that there's great potential here, for a dozen or so Exaltation stories to fall into an alternate earth or so, where Aliens are falling. Some dude able to jack a laptop into the Alien mothership and then send in a virus irregardless of incompatible OS and firewalls? Obviously a few solar charms.
                                Or, bear with me here, since the alien technology fell into human hands decades back, the OS isn't incompatible because it was reverse-engineered from the alien tech? Like, Independence Day and Michael Bay's Transformers are kinda dumb in a number of regards (particularly with regard to race), but our technology being compatible with theirs because we reverse-engineered it to be, is a lot more sensible than having it be compatible in a world where we haven't had our hands on a piece of their tech for decades.

                                Originally posted by Accelerator View Post
                                Resistance leader that is a teenager capable of leading troops against advanced alien tech? Obviously a dragonblooded general.
                                Or, just spitballing here, your ability to lead troops isn't strictly a factor of your age, since teenagers have led fights against invaders in our real-world history?

                                Originally posted by Accelerator View Post
                                The aliens constantly seem to have bad luck, get idiot balls, fuck up in ways that advanced civilisations usually don't, and usually just seem to be screwed at every turn? Obviously a Sidereal at work.
                                Can you provide me an example of a real advanced civilization that doesn't fuck up? I'm not convinced that that's a thing.

                                Originally posted by Accelerator View Post
                                Aliens get infiltrated? Lunars at work.
                                Lunars lack the capacity to transform into aliens.

                                Originally posted by Accelerator View Post
                                Hell, being able to grab an alien spaceship, reverse engineer it, and then put the tech into your own civilisation is something I can see the Exalted doing. It's part of their schtick, after all, putting down the power bows and then taking up the laser beam cannons.
                                Whereas I see the Exalted schtick being not needing to put down the powerbows to fight the guys with the laser beam cannons.
                                Last edited by TheCountAlucard; 02-13-2020, 06:03 AM.


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