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  • #31
    Damn double post


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    • #32
      Originally posted by Kyman201 View Post

      I think Minton said that with the Getimians, they aren't Isekai'd from other existing timelines. They had the POTENTIAL for what they COULD have done, but they didn't actually do it. The Creation they remember never existed. They could have changed the world, but they didn't. Because they never existed.
      Fascinating! Now I’m really looking forward to the Getimians 😊.


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      • #33
        Dulahan that sounds really cool, about the other worlds. It makes sense that Creation wouldn’t be the only pocket of reality in the Wyld. (A dulahan is a headless horseman.)


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        • #34
          Originally posted by Kyman201
          Besides, hasn't "Things that came from Worlds that are not Creation" been a thing as long as... Uh, shit, what's that well the Shoat on the Mire has? The Well of Uldr?
          The Far Shores got a reference in the 1e core.
          Also, Shoat’s the Abyssal; Dowager is the Deathlord.
          Last edited by TheCountAlucard; 06-26-2020, 07:24 AM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Sadric of Ysyr View Post
            I really think the Liminals are just plain unnecessary (I mean, weakish Frankenstein Exalted that are like someone took Alchemical, Abyssal, and Terrestrial themes, threw them in a blender and hit puree? No thanks).
            Problem is everything we've been told about the Liminals has been to downplay their significance into the ground. Right now they come across as too rare, too weak and too disconnected from each other.

            That might be because they came first (2e Masters of Jade) and the developers had to convince Abyssal players that their splat wasn't going to be put down.


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            • #36
              Frankly, Liminals being individualistic and geared towards smaller-scale stories is a significant part of their appeal (to me).

              It's refreshing to have a splat that doesn't waste time on the great impersonal politics of the setting, instead just existing as individuals to slot seamlessly into whatever stories you want to tell.

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              • #37
                Theres also things with Liminal themes that has been expanded by the current devs that no splat has. Body Horror is just one of their themes, Mediumship and Memory according to them will be the other, which has piqued my interest. Liminals are ghost hunters, for all that entails. When in the past Abyssals were the only ones who could meaningfully interact with the dead, Liminals opens them up in ways that Abyssals can't. So I'm interested to see how it will look.


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                • #38
                  Originally posted by The MG View Post
                  Frankly, Liminals being individualistic and geared towards smaller-scale stories is a significant part of their appeal (to me).

                  It's refreshing to have a splat that doesn't waste time on the great impersonal politics of the setting, instead just existing as individuals to slot seamlessly into whatever stories you want to tell.

                  I love the Liminals. Love everything about them. And this is, in no small part, one of the big things that draws me to them.
                  Exalted is such a big world and having an exalt-type that is connected to an interesting part of the setting's metapysics without that connection bearing the trappings of a story in itself, and thus encouraging the story to be built and focused around the characters and their personal struggles and backgrounds, seems awesome. And goes exceptionally well with the Promethean/Frankenstein-themes (which I am, admittedly, a big sucker for)

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Penelope View Post
                    Dulahan that sounds really cool, about the other worlds. It makes sense that Creation wouldn’t be the only pocket of reality in the Wyld. (A dulahan is a headless horseman.)
                    Technically that's a Dullahan! Not a Dulahan. My own Uname is basically parallel evolution from me phoneticizing a different Celtic dialect word for darkness (dubhlachan or something like that) loooonng before I ever knew about the concept of a Headless Horseman being a Dullahan.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Kim View Post


                      I love the Liminals. Love everything about them. And this is, in no small part, one of the big things that draws me to them.
                      Exalted is such a big world and having an exalt-type that is connected to an interesting part of the setting's metapysics without that connection bearing the trappings of a story in itself, and thus encouraging the story to be built and focused around the characters and their personal struggles and backgrounds, seems awesome. And goes exceptionally well with the Promethean/Frankenstein-themes (which I am, admittedly, a big sucker for)
                      They seem angled for such a nice span of stories and tropes. You've got the aforementioned Frankenstein/Promethean stuff, plus clone stories and amnesiac stories and other stories of being burdened with the identity and legacy of another.

                      Add to this the outcast-hunter-of-monsters trope (Claymore, Berserk, the Witcher) that used to be the sole and heavy-handed remit of renegade Abyssals, and you've got something good.

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                      • #41
                        Dulahan thank you 😊! I didn’t know that.


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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Lioness View Post
                          Problem is everything we've been told about the Liminals has been to downplay their significance into the ground. Right now they come across as too rare, too weak and too disconnected from each other.

                          That might be because they came first (2e Masters of Jade) and the developers had to convince Abyssal players that their splat wasn't going to be put down.
                          At the moment we have three books worth of setting material that has a very strong priority on transmitting the world to us in terms of these concentrated snapshots of complicated situations. It is a trend that was also introduced in Masters of Jade. It appears to be the main resolution in which we see Exigents and Liminals.

                          I think they are ideally suited for it. I think impact on the world stage is overrated anyway, but at some point even Mnemon needs to step down and examine one of those stories for the satrapies or what have you personally, and oh shit, here's the vengeful Chosen of that mill god you executed to make the situation a lot more complicated than it seemed (with power more sophisticated than a God-blood or mutant, and a deeper commitment). Here's a Liminal to represent the interests of the unquiet dead (or the community that was tired of lack of official response), who is more intertwined with the situation than even a Terrestrial exorcist would be.

                          That said, even the Exigents possess a capacity to be networked into something with greater scope, if I guess right about the Architects.


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                          • #43
                            One of the things about Liminals I think is that they'd benefit particularly much from having a set of diverse characters within the splat presented to us.

                            My image of them at the moment is frankly tied to a very singular culture presenation - Frankenstein's Monster. So my intuition is very Limnals = Frankenstein's Monster Does Kung Fu. Imagined in lots of fairly drab, dingy green and brown earth tones. And I literally don't have any other images for them. that's pretty much what the 4 images of a Liminal in the 3e core was (albeit with also a couple of er... saucy, female versions of the same)...

                            This could be chalked up to perhaps a failure of my imagination. However I would also suggest that we don't widely culturally have the rich repetoire of presentations that beastmen or vampires have (enriched partially by the WoD, but also the general cultural trend), which immediately allows us to imagine a diverse range of characters in the splat. (Edit: Realized this bit didn't really make sense - I'm alluding to how Lunars and Abyssals are informed by a wide range of portrayals of werewolves, beastmen, vamps, etc and this gives us some help to form powerful images of Lunars and Abyssals as characters.)

                            Likewise, I think the core writing about Liminals in 3e was not near as fertile to the imagination as the suggestions of grand, evocative, iconic power that other splats have had when introduced to us in 1e. Those descriptions tended to describe them in very visually iconic terms, with iconic marks of Exaltation (castemarks) and with specific iconic tools of power (daiklaives) and groups of mythic associations. So that compounds it. But YMMV on that one.

                            (Actually some of the 3e presentations of splats seem a bit strange to me in retrospect, as they seem a bit focused on upselling the experience of playing many splats and centering them in stories... in the context of a book that provides no rules about how to do this...).

                            At this point it would be really nice to see a fan-splat homebrew of them; that would make them broader and richer and more present part of the setting while we await until the devs get round to them. But this is kind of like asking for a free unicorn of course - easy to do, hard to really be entitled to anyone else's free labour to get.
                            Last edited by Ghosthead; 06-27-2020, 08:45 AM.

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                            • #44
                              I'm less concerned about the ability of Liminals to act on a world stage and more their ability to respond to a circle of Exalts, since that's usually how Exalted PCs roll.


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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Lioness View Post
                                I'm less concerned about the ability of Liminals to act on a world stage and more their ability to respond to a circle of Exalts, since that's usually how Exalted PCs roll.
                                I should imagine that's no different from how anything smaller than a behemoth needs to deal with such a group.


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