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  • Liquid_speaker
    started a topic Exigent KS?

    Exigent KS?

    bubbles? but serioiusly, I'm wanting to get my character into lore with a package in exigents, will this be an option via the next (hopefully soon) Kickstarter?

  • Isator Levi
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    Originally posted by Lioness View Post
    Also, there being 5 aspects seems like it's going to be pretty redundant if lone Liminal in a mixed circle is the only game in town.
    So there's probably going to be scope for a Blood Aspect and a Marrow Aspect to compare notes unless that's another legacy of their late 2e introduction.
    I don't agree. I find the Aspects to both lend structure to the idea of how and why people make the futile attempts to raise them, and a sense of consequence to those distinctions. I should also think that the differences in focus of personality and powers provides a framework to lend more variety to character concepts and actions.

    And really, all of that corpse imagery is compelling in its own right.

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  • Lioness
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    Also, there being 5 aspects seems like it's going to be pretty redundant if lone Liminal in a mixed circle is the only game in town.
    So there's probably going to be scope for a Blood Aspect and a Marrow Aspect to compare notes unless that's another legacy of their late 2e introduction.

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  • Mizu
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    That would be cool, yeah. If they are made to be more focused on that level of thing and then the setting reflects that it would be great. But if they end up having some sort of united goal thing going on when they get released I would want them to have something to show for it like 3E lunars now having something to show for their concentrated efforts as the silver pact instead of making us wonder why they even bother working together.

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  • Isator Levi
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    I would like it if Chernozem challenge the idea of what folks can do, individually or as a group, that qualifies as significant.

    If that involves Deathlords at all, the most I would want is something emergent, like at some point a Deathlord going to enact some scheme and realising that the landscape of the ghosts is not what it was when last they looked. Much like how particular involvements with the Liminals might be something that much of the scope of the Guild is owed to.

    But that to them was incidental; the Chernozem come up from the roots, rummage around down there in the dank of the unvisited border places, the neglected dead. Theirs is not the grand schemes or the lofty ambitions. They're the visceral, messy Exalted, the deep spiritual reflection upon something grim and unglamourous and universal.

    There's a unique power to such places that they have specifically because they're not glorious. The breadth of the other Exalted is such that, sure, they have some individuals on their margins who seep down, but I should find it very compelling if there's a whole group of Exalted whose natural home is down there, furtive and easily forgotten.

    I think those things would be undermined by saying "but just so you know they matter, here's also a big thing of historical import that they deliberately did". It's not only at odds with what I find attractive, I think it validates the perspective that would be unimpressed with all of those other things.

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  • Mizu
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    Originally posted by Isator Levi View Post


    Would you think of them as diminished if they were specifically written without these things?
    Hmmm, it kind of depends I suppose. If they are written as being a host that is somewhat united by, for example, the dark mother giving them missions directed at fulfilling a larger goal I expect them to have done something worthy of a coordinated effort of a host of exalted. If they end up being a disparate host with little coordination and unity like the exigents then I wouldn't mind them not having done some huge setting shaping thing like the theory I gave of maybe being the reason deathlords have done so little to project power into Creation since the usurpation until they got their own exalted to tip the scales (which would also give the abyssals the chance to have been awesome and change the setting by breaking the stalemate).

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  • Lioness
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    The Dark Mother's a pretty logical place to look for a missing component.

    She's been stated to occasionally command her Chosen (though we don't know how that works) it's not impossible that she'd see the need to send multiple Liminals the same direction, especially in light of the rise of the Abyssal Exalted.

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  • Isator Levi
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    Originally posted by Mizu View Post
    I am sure that once they get some books focused on them we will find out more about how the liminals have impacted Creation and the Underworld in some notable way. In terms of releasing material Exalted 3rd edition is still super early in its life cycle and most of what we have seen comes from splat books that were focused on their titular exalt and their place in the setting with other types getting mentions pretty much solely based on their clashes or alliance with them. We really haven't gotten enough information yet to make much of a guess on how they have impacted the world while off doing things someplace else while the classic exalt types war among themselves for control of the world. Maybe the reason so few deathlords have openly moved on Creation is because the liminals keep ruining their attempts to build up enough forces to both protect their underworld powerbase and project power into Creation at the same time, for example.

    Would you think of them as diminished if they were specifically written without these things?

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  • Mizu
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    I am sure that once they get some books focused on them we will find out more about how the liminals have impacted Creation and the Underworld in some notable way. In terms of releasing material Exalted 3rd edition is still super early in its life cycle and most of what we have seen comes from splat books that were focused on their titular exalt and their place in the setting with other types getting mentions pretty much solely based on their clashes or alliance with them. We really haven't gotten enough information yet to make much of a guess on how they have impacted the world while off doing things someplace else while the classic exalt types war among themselves for control of the world. Maybe the reason so few deathlords have openly moved on Creation is because the liminals keep ruining their attempts to build up enough forces to both protect their underworld powerbase and project power into Creation at the same time, for example.

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  • The MG
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    Originally posted by Lioness View Post
    Okay well, that's where their presentation (thus far) as lone monster hunters best suited for solo-play seems like it could get in the way of how I could use them as a Storyteller.
    They seem less like they're for solo play than they are for being the odd one out in a group of DBs or whatever.

    Of course, you're not required to integrate them into your games, making the ease with which you can ignore them another benefit of their low-key status.

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  • Iceblade44
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    While they do seem like for solo play I'm unsure. Given the neccessary need for a mortal Intimacy or they start degrading. Well I guess it be dependent if you are able to attach the intimacy to a Exalt or not.

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  • Lioness
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    Okay well, that's where their presentation (thus far) as lone monster hunters best suited for solo-play seems like it could get in the way of how I could use them as a Storyteller.
    Last edited by Lioness; 06-27-2020, 02:50 PM.

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  • Isator Levi
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    Originally posted by Lioness View Post
    I'm less concerned about the ability of Liminals to act on a world stage and more their ability to respond to a circle of Exalts, since that's usually how Exalted PCs roll.
    I should imagine that's no different from how anything smaller than a behemoth needs to deal with such a group.

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  • Lioness
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    I'm less concerned about the ability of Liminals to act on a world stage and more their ability to respond to a circle of Exalts, since that's usually how Exalted PCs roll.

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  • Ghosthead
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    One of the things about Liminals I think is that they'd benefit particularly much from having a set of diverse characters within the splat presented to us.

    My image of them at the moment is frankly tied to a very singular culture presenation - Frankenstein's Monster. So my intuition is very Limnals = Frankenstein's Monster Does Kung Fu. Imagined in lots of fairly drab, dingy green and brown earth tones. And I literally don't have any other images for them. that's pretty much what the 4 images of a Liminal in the 3e core was (albeit with also a couple of er... saucy, female versions of the same)...

    This could be chalked up to perhaps a failure of my imagination. However I would also suggest that we don't widely culturally have the rich repetoire of presentations that beastmen or vampires have (enriched partially by the WoD, but also the general cultural trend), which immediately allows us to imagine a diverse range of characters in the splat. (Edit: Realized this bit didn't really make sense - I'm alluding to how Lunars and Abyssals are informed by a wide range of portrayals of werewolves, beastmen, vamps, etc and this gives us some help to form powerful images of Lunars and Abyssals as characters.)

    Likewise, I think the core writing about Liminals in 3e was not near as fertile to the imagination as the suggestions of grand, evocative, iconic power that other splats have had when introduced to us in 1e. Those descriptions tended to describe them in very visually iconic terms, with iconic marks of Exaltation (castemarks) and with specific iconic tools of power (daiklaives) and groups of mythic associations. So that compounds it. But YMMV on that one.

    (Actually some of the 3e presentations of splats seem a bit strange to me in retrospect, as they seem a bit focused on upselling the experience of playing many splats and centering them in stories... in the context of a book that provides no rules about how to do this...).

    At this point it would be really nice to see a fan-splat homebrew of them; that would make them broader and richer and more present part of the setting while we await until the devs get round to them. But this is kind of like asking for a free unicorn of course - easy to do, hard to really be entitled to anyone else's free labour to get.
    Last edited by Ghosthead; 06-27-2020, 08:45 AM.

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