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  • Interpreting Canon Demons.

    See a bunch of people trying to create homebrew demons got some questions on canon ones

    Any problems with mass creating Children Via Neomah to sell to the slave market?

    What kinds of artifacts can aleuva create? Since the magical materials of creation and the underworld are inicable to her nature. And Helltech seems to have been retconned

    Can ermithoi use weapons and armor?



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    So the really short answer is "Whatever works best for your game." However, if I were the one who had to answer them...

    Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post
    Any problems with mass creating Children Via Neomah to sell to the slave market?
    Mainly the ethical ones. Which are tremendous. But also while a Neomah explicitly only requires a day to create a human or human-like child, the degree to which their new creations can be passed on to the slave market in their current state (likely neither mentally or physically developed much past a toddler) is questionable.

    Also whoever does this is evil, full stop.

    Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post
    What kinds of artifacts can aleuva create? Since the magical materials of creation and the underworld are inimicable to her nature. And Helltech seems to have been retconned
    Aleuva probably does not often create artifacts--those who offer themselves up to her are rarely worthy of being made into something so great--although some of her works are likely potent enough to serve as a a core or component for one. However, on rare occasion a genuine hero sees no way for them to achieve their goal on their own, and bow their head and bear their breast to her hammer. Much as her more mundane projects can take many forms, so too can the wonders she shapes. Such masterpieces do not incorporate the Five Magical Materials, and their evocations take shape according to the will of the people that they were rather than according to a material theme. They are broadly neither resonant nor dissonant with any Exalted--their Evocations do not include those keywords--although the occasional legend-upon-legends may differ.

    Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post
    Can ermithoi use weapons and armor?
    Absolutely. But by and large their fellows would look at them askance.

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    • #3
      Id agree on whoever does that with children created by Neomah being evil

      Think neomah created children would be bad for creating serfs with?

      since they know no other way of life.


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      • #4
        Protip: If you're deliberately creating an underclass, that's not a morally good action.


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        • #5
          Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post
          Id agree on whoever does that with children created by Neomah being evil

          Think neomah created children would be bad for creating serfs with?

          since they know no other way of life.
          I really fail to see the functional difference between someone made by a neomah not knowing any other way of life and a person born to poverty not knowing any other way of life.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JohnDoe244 View Post
            Protip: If you're deliberately creating an underclass, that's not a morally good action.
            Fair enough, but someone has to labor in the fields,mines, or factories.


            Originally posted by Mockery View Post

            I really fail to see the functional difference between someone made by a neomah not knowing any other way of life and a person born to poverty not knowing any other way of life.
            Theirs none I can see.

            yes you might be taking advantage of the desperate.
            Last edited by Prince of the Night; 11-18-2020, 10:45 AM.


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            • #7
              Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post
              Fair enough, but someone has to labor in the fields.
              So have everyone work toward the production of food just a little bit. Far better than making a slave-race to do it exclusively.


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                If you gave a neomah flesh from a human and another animal they could create a beastman, right?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Elfive View Post
                  If you gave a neomah flesh from a human and another animal they could create a beastman, right?
                  No, the neomah would need to get the material from the human and animal themselves. (Also the terminology going forward is beastfolk.)

                  Vance already ruled that you can't just go collecting Dragon-Blooded fingers to give a neomah to make Dragon-Blooded kids, for instance..


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                  • #10
                    I'm pretty sure that bit was just cos of the exaltation thing. Nothing in the writeup suggests they need consent to make anything else.

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                    • #11
                      I think its valid to try creating serfdom


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TheCountAlucard View Post
                        No, the neomah would need to get the material from the human and animal themselves. (Also the terminology going forward is beastfolk.)

                        Vance already ruled that you can't just go collecting Dragon-Blooded fingers to give a neomah to make Dragon-Blooded kids, for instance..
                        That’s different because creating Dragonblooded needs dragon blooded to participate in a progenitive act as it uses up their stored genesis potential when having babies. Giving Neomah animal parts is kosher, how is it not. They can remake a new infant out of stillborn ones given to them this is no different. Beastmen and mutants aren’t Dragonblooded. And I argue that using Dead Dragonblooded parts to create offspring wouldnt make Dragonblooded babies but the beings created would count as the relatives of Dragonblooded for the purpose of of their children can pass on the blessing of Exaltation.


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post
                          I think its valid to try creating serfdom
                          Yes I don’t think anyone is saying it’s not evil to create slaves, this is all seemingly about if people willing to do it would make a viable civilization with it. And it’s no more unviable then things like clone farms, raided slaves and mutated slave castes.


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by TheCountAlucard View Post
                            So have everyone work toward the production of food just a little bit. Far better than making a slave-race to do it exclusively.
                            Better.

                            Or, you know, give folks freedom of choice. Pay them.

                            Or just play evil characters. It's easier.

                            Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post
                            I think its valid to try creating serfdom
                            And it's valid to play a murderer. Play the game That's fun for your table.

                            My game is about imperialists conquering folks, imposing their religion, and committing genocide. You can absolutely run an Exalted game about setting up serfdom.

                            But, it's not ethical. It's not a morally good thing. You are playing a character somewhere between "ethically questionable" and "evil".
                            Last edited by JohnDoe244; 11-18-2020, 11:51 AM.


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Elfive View Post
                              If you gave a neomah flesh from a human and another animal they could create a beastman, right?

                              Lunar-created beastfolk explicitly have 6 dots of beneficial mutations and no harmful ones, except insofar as some of the mutations can be inconvenient in certain situations. I don't see any reason that neomah-created human-animal hybrids would have the same property, which I guess is a reflection of Luna's gifts (or the Lunar Exalted's mastery over form). I think it would be appropriately demonic to have a mix of beneficial and harmful consequences.

                              For the worst case, I note that beastfolk are the equal of humans in their intelligence, their capability of speech, and their flexible arms with opposable thumbs suitable for using tools, but what you get by throwing human and animal flesh at a neomah might not be.

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