I'm sorry, I know this must have come up before, but I haven't been able to find an answer (lots of similar stuff but not quite this).
Character A uses a decisive attack on a grapple gambit targeting Character B. Character A gets 4 threshold successes on her control roll, setting up a 4-turn grapple, and delivering a Savage for [some damage].
On Character B's turn, he also makes a decisive attack, at a -1 penalty, to start a grapple with Character A. Character B also gets 4 successes on the control roll.
So the question is, where are we now? Are A and B both simultaneously grappling each other at the same time? Mechanically I don't see anything that doesn't work; the two combatants can just keep doing grapple-actions to one another.
B uses a savage on A, deals [some damage], and reduces A's remaining control turns to 3.
A Slams B, giving up the rest of his rounds (2) for extra damage, reducing B's turns to 3
B spends her next 3 turns savaging some more (assuming she isn't damaged again and loses more time)
Savages and Slams aren't specifically attacks so I don't think either side even takes the -1 penalty for attacking while grappled? A Withering-Savage at least has an attack roll you could penalize (but that can't fail); a Decisive-Savage doesn't even roll to attack so the penalty can't apply.
Am I missing something? Is there a line I missed somewhere? Intuitively, if it's called a "control" roll I would kind of expect that that only one character can be in control of the grapple (and thus able to take grapple-actions) at a time, and thus a counter-grapple would reduce the original grappler's control instead of establishing a second, parallel grapple. But that doesn't seem to be RAW.
Character A uses a decisive attack on a grapple gambit targeting Character B. Character A gets 4 threshold successes on her control roll, setting up a 4-turn grapple, and delivering a Savage for [some damage].
On Character B's turn, he also makes a decisive attack, at a -1 penalty, to start a grapple with Character A. Character B also gets 4 successes on the control roll.
So the question is, where are we now? Are A and B both simultaneously grappling each other at the same time? Mechanically I don't see anything that doesn't work; the two combatants can just keep doing grapple-actions to one another.
B uses a savage on A, deals [some damage], and reduces A's remaining control turns to 3.
A Slams B, giving up the rest of his rounds (2) for extra damage, reducing B's turns to 3
B spends her next 3 turns savaging some more (assuming she isn't damaged again and loses more time)
Savages and Slams aren't specifically attacks so I don't think either side even takes the -1 penalty for attacking while grappled? A Withering-Savage at least has an attack roll you could penalize (but that can't fail); a Decisive-Savage doesn't even roll to attack so the penalty can't apply.
Am I missing something? Is there a line I missed somewhere? Intuitively, if it's called a "control" roll I would kind of expect that that only one character can be in control of the grapple (and thus able to take grapple-actions) at a time, and thus a counter-grapple would reduce the original grappler's control instead of establishing a second, parallel grapple. But that doesn't seem to be RAW.
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