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  • Omicron
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    Mnemon doesn't want to be her mother. The Scarlet Empress was the mistress of the Realm: ten thousand squabbling children squabbling and factioning and feuding and playing games against each other while she ruled distantly. Her reign was based on division and careful harnessing of conflict.

    Mnemon doesn't want that. Mnemon wants the entire Realm to be molded in her image, to be the House of Mnemon: ten thousand inferiors crawling at her feet, clay in her fingertips, and she, mistress unconquested, sorceress supreme, having squashed all her siblings.

    Mnemon looks like she wants to be the Empress, but the Empress was utilitarian. Mnemon is much more... megalomaniacal.

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  • Arian Dynas
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    Originally posted by Ejtaka View Post
    Hmm... Moral Code... <adds to list of things NPCs can sacrifice for Sorcery>
    Fits right beside Anger and Memory!

    In my case I sacrificed my mortal name

    As for my read on Mnemon, it's because she wants to be her mother. Everything I have heard and seen about her says she is so used to emotional distance because that's what the Empress gave her; she is the result of a distant parentage, without the benefit of someone to cling to, and a mixture of hero-worship, hatred and resentment.

    She's a powerful sorceress, like her mother. She's beautiful, like her mother, she's an Earth Aspect, like her mother, she likes to be known by a color as a metonym to her name, like her mother, she can't even comfortably think about anyone else sitting the Scarlet throne except herself.

    This all speaks of a person who very simply is a little girl who wants one thing in the whole world, is crying out for attention from a parent she will never receive, and resents her for ignoring her, for not measuring up, and honestly, can't let go of her hero, so she wants to become the distant, untouchable, bulletproof figure the Empress was, and whom she was likely infuriated to find out was nothing more than a construction.

    But that's just my two cents.

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  • The Wizard of Oz
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    It's also odd because, IIRC, in 1st ed it said that some houses don't care what you wear, but other houses are very proud of their element and strongly encourage all their members to wear the house colour as much as possible. And, IIRC, one of the houses most keen on it was Mnemon. So it's weird that Mnemon doesn't wear white (though maybe it's to show that she's so awesome she doesn't have to play by her own rules).
    Though also, purple (and yellow, and brown, and grey, and pink) is one of the colours that is acceptable for non-Exalted dynasts to wear as it's not elemental (if I'm remembering this right, I don't have a 1st ed DB book, I've just read it). So you'd think she'd avoid it as a lower-class colour.

    Anyway, as to:
    Originally posted by Jen
    Mnemon, why are you so mean?
    Because her mother didn't hug her, ever. And the way her brother tried to murder her multiple times, often with things like poisoned gifts, probably makes it just a little bit difficult for her to trust others.
    Maybe you can play the one person who can melt her icy heart like a bad romantic comedy, good luck with that. Because that woman needs therapy.

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  • wulf
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    I don't think my brain will let me take her seriously. Who wears a frumpy purple dress and a dull, matte crown with that gorgeous colour of hair? She clearly doesn't know what she's doing. I don't trust her to rule. And whoever told her that was a good look was clearly not looking out for her bests interests.

    She's Earth-Aspected, she should ditch the purple dress for some flowing white silk chiffon. Make the crown darker and more severe (to project power), use food dyes to enhance the red of her hair. Get up in some really high heels to literally tower over her lessers. She could be really fierce and commanding but, at present, her character design really phones it in. Her purple dress makes me sad and angry. I hate it.

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  • Gaius
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    The following seem relevant to talk of Mnemon, at least as far as EX3 goes and especially Immaculate beliefs, so I'll just leave these here.
    Originally posted by EX3 What We Know Wiki
    Q: (Mizu005)
    Will Savants in the Realm who realize the whole 'Anathema' thing (and the Immaculate faith in general) is pure BS but continue to pay lip service in public out of pragmatism be common? Because it always bothered me that Scroll of Exalts described Mnemon as a 'true believer' in the Immaculate faith despite being an elder exalt with a 7 in Lore and Occult who should flat out just know better (Truth be told, I was also bothered by the notion that the Empress would raise an ignoramus for a child when there was no benefit at all to letting her children think the Immaculate faith was anything but a propaganda tool).

    A: (Holden)
    People like Mnemon aren't misinformed so much as fully and pragmatically informed. She's fully aware that Solars and Lunars are just another kind of Exalted. She also knows that the Lunars are demonstrably batshit crazy monsters trying to tear down the Realm and eat her flesh; and that the last time the Solars were around, they took charge of the world, built terrifyingly powerful magical weapons, then eventually went batshit crazy and started wrecking everything. She sees no reason to believe that, if the Solars are allowed to come back, things would be any different the second time around. Really, it's the Gold Faction that's making a leap of faith here-- "this time things will all work out for the best and the Solars won't fall into hubris and madness, because of reasons." She doesn't advertise the fact that the Anathema are just another kind of Exalt to the masses because it's generally a bad idea to draw attention to points of similarity between yourself and a group you're trying to demonize.


    Q: (Mizu005)
    Will knowledge of the Sidereals existence likewise be more common? Because again, it bothered the hell out of me that people like Mnemon weren't full aware of how heavily involved Sidereals were in the Realm.

    A: (Holden)
    Mnemon is fully aware of Sidereal involvement in the Realm and helps cover up their involvement because it undermines the perceived legitimacy of the Dragon-Blooded hegemony if they've got another kind of Exalted propping up their rule, and because the Sidereals want it that way, and there's little to gain by giving them credit for anything when the Dragon-Blooded could take that credit for themselves.


    Oh. And also this totally serious and definitely not jocular one.

    Originally posted by EX3 What We Know Wiki
    Q: (SurlySeraph)
    Will Mnemon get the hugs she was so sorely deprived of as a child?

    A: (John Mørke)
    Never!

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  • Solar
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    Originally posted by Dietaku View Post
    I've always thought that finding and marrying the Scarlet Empress to be a suitably gutsy and impressive way for a Solar to begin rebuilding the Old Realm, in no part to the need to maneuver Realm politics, avoid detection and actually find his/her beau. That Mnemon could take her place? I never considered that. Still, here's hoping I can find a Realm Civil War game to try this character out in.
    I played a game where marrying Memnon to legitimise my character's rule was a genuine plan we were working towards. The only trouble was that Memnon didn't want to marry the Emperor, she wanted to be the Empress, which was fair but annoying. In the end the two characters kind of fell for each other a bit though (despite being a Solar, we managed to persuade her that the Immaculate texts were not infallible, which was tricky enough let me tell you) and became pretty intimate and it seemed like the problem had been solved.

    Sadly, the game finished before we could resolve it. Was very cool though. Memnon makes a cool love interest character, she's frosty and ruthless, but in anime-style romance land what that really means is tsundere (or so I am told), and having marriage negotiations with Memnon where she is ostensibly unhappy about the whole deal but very hot under the collar is pretty funny.

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  • Saur Ops Specialist
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    Originally posted by Omicron View Post
    She's not mean, she's six hundred years old and she's just lost track of her moral code.

    (amusingly, this might be literally true)

    Strange, I prefer to construct that rhyme with Cecelyne. Yet, the comparisons of the Scarlet Empress to Hudson Abadeer are giving me a chortle-worthy image of the SE raiding the fridge at midnight in a tanktop and boxer shorts to make a giant sandwich.

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  • Isator Levi
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    Originally posted by Ryumaru
    Would "Being married to the most powerful woman in Creation" not be ambitious enough?
    Would Mnemon be satisfied with just being married to somebody more powerful than herself?

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  • Crumplepunch
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    Mnemon is Exalted's Azula, or vice versa. She's a sociopathic princess with parental issues, extraordinary talents and a mean sense of entitlement.

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  • Omicron
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    Originally posted by Ryumaru View Post

    Would "Being married to the most powerful woman in Creation" not be ambitious enough? If not, maybe tag something on to it, like "be the favored assassin/administrator/assistant to the most powerful woman in Creation."
    Clearly Mnemon needs her own Vin.

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  • Dietaku
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    Originally posted by JohnDoe244 View Post
    ... Did the Scarlet Empress eat her fries?

    ****

    In Little Red's write up in CBE, it implies that she can have her Happily Ever After Moment with someone who:

    1. Is a competent Sorcerer
    2. Has as much ambition as her.
    3. Does not stand in the way of her ruling the Realm singled handed with an iron fist.

    So all you need to do is find a suitably grand ambition which is aided by being married to the Empress of the Realm, but in no way involves using Mnemon. So... I guess if you were a Celestial God, then you'd have a shot... if only she didn't believe in the Immaculate Texts... I guess Ragara Bhagwei would have a shot... if he didn't hate Mnemon with the passion of a thousand suns. Hmm... I'll get back to you on that one...
    I've always thought that finding and marrying the Scarlet Empress to be a suitably gutsy and impressive way for a Solar to begin rebuilding the Old Realm, in no part to the need to maneuver Realm politics, avoid detection and actually find his/her beau. That Mnemon could take her place? I never considered that. Still, here's hoping I can find a Realm Civil War game to try this character out in.

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  • Ryumaru
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    Originally posted by JohnDoe244 View Post

    In Little Red's write up in CBE, it implies that she can have her Happily Ever After Moment with someone who:

    1. Is a competent Sorcerer
    2. Has as much ambition as her.
    3. Does not stand in the way of her ruling the Realm singled handed with an iron fist.
    Would "Being married to the most powerful woman in Creation" not be ambitious enough? If not, maybe tag something on to it, like "be the favored assassin/administrator/assistant to the most powerful woman in Creation."

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  • JohnDoe244
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    Originally posted by Omicron View Post
    She's not mean, she's six hundred years old and she's just lost track of her moral code.
    ... Did the Scarlet Empress eat her fries?

    ****

    In Little Red's write up in CBE, it implies that she can have her Happily Ever After Moment with someone who:

    1. Is a competent Sorcerer
    2. Has as much ambition as her.
    3. Does not stand in the way of her ruling the Realm singled handed with an iron fist.

    So all you need to do is find a suitably grand ambition which is aided by being married to the Empress of the Realm, but in no way involves using Mnemon. So... I guess if you were a Celestial God, then you'd have a shot... if only she didn't believe in the Immaculate Texts... I guess Ragara Bhagwei would have a shot... if he didn't hate Mnemon with the passion of a thousand suns. Hmm... I'll get back to you on that one...

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  • Exthalion
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    Part of it might just be her environment. Most of great house founders are dead, and the current rulers worked their way up in an environment where their houses were old enough to be immortal institutions to the human mind. Mnemon had to build it all up, carving a place for her house against the at least implicit competition of all the other houses.

    If she was a nice person she would probably be a lower-upperclass wife in some major house who taught sorcery and was well regarded in her field.

    Edit: Though terrestrials are my fourth after Alchemicals, Solars, and Infernals when it comes to my reading so I may be mistaken.

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  • Ejtaka
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    Hmm... Moral Code... <adds to list of things NPCs can sacrifice for Sorcery>
    Fits right beside Anger and Memory!

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