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  • #31
    Originally posted by Jen View Post

    Puh, I'm shipping Volfer with Peleps Deled and ain't no suicide gonna stop the incoming smut.

    Ship Deled with an Abyssal, and now you're talking!

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    • #32
      Originally posted by The Wizard of Oz View Post
      If Pelleps Delled fell in love with a Solar... I think he'd kill himself.
      (Okay, actually I think he'd use the DB charm that breaks servitude effects on yourself but is really expensive. Worth it to do that. Then he'd stab Arianna in the heart.)
      he needs to buy 4 prequisite charms to be able to do so, and if Arriana has as much extra XP as him, in that scenariao she may have a higher essence then him, so hes screwed.


      And my question is on "How is someone still themselve" when under such a compulsion.


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      • #33
        Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post
        I INTENSELY DISLIKE(in most restrained terms)Lookshyan Wyld hunts, as a concept.

        Am one of the people, know I'm in the minority, who LIKED the solar friendly Lookshy from 2nd edition, we got conflicting data in 1st edition.
        Sure, but at least acknowledge that (1) the Shogunate conducted Wyld Hunts; (2) Lookshy was a part of the Shogunate and considers itself the Shogunate's legitimate successor state; (3) the religion of Lookshy, dating to the Shogunate, contained all of the "we hate Anathema" stuff that persists relatively unchanged in the Realm's offshoot religion.

        So to me there is not a real reason for Lookshy to have a radically different Anathema policy from the Shogunate. They're still DBs, they still buy into the Great Uprising story, etc.

        Now sure there may be a Lookshyan political faction that sees the state of its country, hears about the rapid increase in Anathema sightings recently and thinks "we're not in a position to do this, let's try to normalize relations with some of them," but that faction is likely to be both a huge minority and seen as heretical.

        Originally posted by Lioness View Post
        Oh lots of reasons, but most importantly Tepet Lisara really brings out the creepy in people- the number of times I've seen some variation of "lets make the Appearance 5 misandrist our sex slave" makes me genuinely uncomfortable.
        Ugh ugh ugh not enough ughs ugh sadly unsurprised but still very ugh


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        • #34
          Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post
          And my question is on "How is someone still themselve" when under such a compulsion.
          Are you "still you" if I put a gun to a loved one's head and force you to cook meth for me?

          Are you still you if you get suckered in by the Church of Scientology?

          Are you still you when you're ten years older?

          Questions of identity rarely have solid, easy answers I'm afraid.


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          • #35
            Originally posted by Zelbinnean View Post
            Ugh ugh ugh not enough ughs ugh sadly unsurprised but still very ugh
            The problem is that there's no subtlety to her write-up.
            It's not that she's a bad commander because she's reckless or lacks experience due to being promoted way ahead of her ability, it's that she shouldn't have ever graduated and any of her elite troops would be a better general than her so we're entering Zapp Brannigan levels of incompetence here.
            Sex seems to be the only thing that she's good for... which might be why she has issues with men but unfortunately she's written like a caricature so that kind of examination of her is impossible.
            Last edited by Lioness; 12-20-2014, 01:24 PM.


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            • #36
              Originally posted by Lioness View Post
              The problem is that there's no subtlety to her write-up.
              It's not that she's a bad commander because she's reckless or lacks experience due to being promoted way ahead of her ability, it's that she shouldn't have ever graduated and anyof her elite troops would be a better general than her so we're entering Zapp Brannigan levels of incompetence here.
              Sex seems to be the only thing that she's good for... which might be why she has issues with men but unfortunately she's written like a caricature so that kind of examination of her is impossible.
              Yeah that is very problematic. She'd probably be better in a "Zak failed Basic Flight but I passed him" type of scenario (with her as Zak - BSG reference, btw). Or just "I had such great connections and my instructor was one of daddy's old Brotherhood buddies so he passed me" type of stuff - which is VERY evocative of real-life scenarios. Would explain a few things about her being up jumped without hitting the Brannigan threshold.


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              • #37
                Originally posted by Prince of the Night
                won't upset you too much if that makes me WANT to use her?
                The fuck, person?


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                • #38
                  Personally, I'd redo Liara as somebody who would be a lot better as a socialite, but is under intense pressure due to her family. She doesn't really recognise the fact that she'd rather be doing something else, and her misuse of subordinates is a combination of venting unexamined frustration, lashing out against people she's jealous of for having a better handle on their situations, and desperately hoping that one of them will have a success she can validate herself with.


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                  • #39
                    I think the way to goo is to make them reasonably competent - just not really prepared for the reality of what they're about to face. They've heard about the Anathema, but what they've heard is filtered through the Immaculate doctrine, and not nearly complete, since the Solars have only recently returned. It doesn't really paint a picture complete enough for them to expect just what kind of force a group of Solar Exalted can bring to bear if their lives are at stake. It might be a little different if they're up against Lunars, given that Lunars are more of a known quantity in the Realm. Of course, Lunars sort of defy being a known quantity.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Lioness View Post
                      Zapp Brannigan levels of incompetence here.
                      Holy mother of god that needs to be a Wyld Hunt leader. A highly decorated Wyld Hunt leader who's entire career is built off of butchering people who couldn't fight back and considers himself to be the savior of Creation.

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                      • #41
                        That's actually how I portray Desus.
                        To Ophelim: "What makes a behemoth turn neutral ... Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just formed with a heart full of neutrality?"


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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by DrLoveMonkey View Post
                          Holy mother of god that needs to be a Wyld Hunt leader. A highly decorated Wyld Hunt leader who's entire career is built off of butchering people who couldn't fight back and considers himself to be the savior of Creation.
                          "Anathema? A trifle. It was simply a matter of outsmarting them. You see, the possessed have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down."

                          (Actually not a bad analogue for getting mote-tapped).


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                          • #43
                            I prefer to present the wyld hunt not as incompetent - but as underfunded.

                            Nobody likes Peleps Deled - so the realm noble houses have stopped sending funding to them... but Deled is too stubborn to step down and let a well liked DB take over so the hunt can resume getting funding.

                            This also means that if a circle of solars piss off a deathlord the wyld hunt might end up getting a few chests of jade and silver anonymously sent to them from Thorns and whatnot - or if the players run affoul of the guild or a scavenger lord, they might sponsor a hunt (in exchange for getting all the artifacts the circle has of course)

                            IMO this makes a lot more sense. It opens the hunt up to getting help from the player's enemies - which IMO helps play up the idea of the setting being a living and dynamic world.


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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Zelbinnean View Post
                              Sure, but at least acknowledge that (1) the Shogunate conducted Wyld Hunts; (2) Lookshy was a part of the Shogunate and considers itself the Shogunate's legitimate successor state; (3) the religion of Lookshy, dating to the Shogunate, contained all of the "we hate Anathema" stuff that persists relatively unchanged in the Realm's offshoot religion.

                              So to me there is not a real reason for Lookshy to have a radically different Anathema policy from the Shogunate. They're still DBs, they still buy into the Great Uprising story, etc.
                              The Shogunate ended 700 years ago. There are probably no DBs in Lookshy who are still alive from that time. A few might remember their grandparents talking about it, but in general I suspect that most Exalted don't live out their full lifespan, especially given how frequently Lookshy has been at war.

                              For those 700 years, Lookshy hasn't, particularly, had any reason to prioritize the Wyld Hunt or to treat it as a huge deal. I mean, yes, they deal with Lunars when they feel Lunars are a threat to them, and opposition to Anathema survives as a cultural theme in a way that means someone could use it to justify starting a huge war in the same way, say, the kings and popes of Europe used their religion to justify the Crusades -- but like the Crusades, it's only going to happen when it's practical for Lookshy, which means almost never.

                              The Wyld Hunt is what it is in the Realm because the Empress has been pushing it constantly from above as part of her deal with the Sidereals; and the Sidereals didn't push for that because they thought it would be cool, they did it because they were afraid that if they didn't, the Wyld Hunt would gradually lose priority and fade into a quaint tradition occasionally drudged out by leaders who want to justify something they wanted to do anyway, rather than something that governs Dragon-Blooded policy. (And consider the fact that the Sidereals feared this -- it is reasonable to assume that this is what was happening near the end of the Shogunate.) I feel Lookshy should, in general, justify that fear -- that is, they haven't totally forgotten it, no, but I doubt that Lookshy ever devotes significant resources to hunting down Anathema solely for the sake of hunting down Anathema.

                              This is not the same thing, obviously, as saying that they never engage in Wyld Hunts -- I'm sure they do, now and then. But they have no built-in incentives the way the Realm does, so in this case "opposing Anathema" is a tool leaders pull out when they need to justify something they wanted to do anyway, rather than something that factors significantly into Lookshy policy. If a nation-state that has something Lookshy wants has a prominent Anathema within it, Lookshy will totally use that as an excuse to go to war; but if an ally has one, Lookshy will mostly look the other way.

                              More generally, from a meta standpoint the game benefits from having a variety of different settings within it, with their own values and perspectives (especially on Solars, who are often the default PCs); this allows players to adjust the kind of game they're looking for by setting it in different parts of Creation. Making it clear that Lookshy's government is more flexible about Anathema than the Realm adds more to the game than trying to turn Lookshy's policies in that regard into a carbon-copy of the Realm's.

                              (Of course, Mnemon -- who actually believes in the Immaculate Faith -- has a secret alliance with the Mask of Winters, who has openly declared himself to be a returned Anathema, so I think people sometimes overestimate how hardline the Realm is on the issue, too. A huge amount of the cultural pressure that kept them on-task in that respect came from Sidereals through the Empress; with her gone, a lot of the DBs who've thought, in the past, "why exactly are we wasting so many resources on this?" have more of an opening to make their case. Obviously there are also a lot of Immaculates who would push back -- probably violently -- but the end of the Second Age is meant to be a time where the entire world is in chaotic flux, not a world where everyone without exception is irrevocably bound to views established 1500 years ago.)

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Aquillion View Post
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                                Did the Shogunate end? Lookshy still follows the old Shogunate, the animosity between Lookshy and the Empire is because they didn't recognize the Empress as a the new Shogun, so it became the Scarlet Empire instead. Lookshy is what is left of the Shogunate, and part of their plans to hold over the Riverlands is rebuilding the Shogunate.

                                Lookshy has a strong identity with Dragonblooded. They don't supply the artifacts to the Riverlands, they supply the Dragonblooded. The Immaculate Faith is a big part of this identity. The Wyld Hunt is a big part of the Immaculate Faith. The Immaculate Faith was created by the Sidereals, the Immaculate Order is a version of the faith that was designed to legitimize the rule of the Empress and control her Empire. Lookshy follows the Immaculate Faith, and so they adhere to the tradition of the Wyld Hunt.

                                Lookshy has just as much an incentive to have an active Wyld Hunt as the Empire. They are Anathema, they are a threat to Creation. If Lookshy seeks to solidify it's hold in the Riverlands, they need to actively pursue elimination of threats, be they the deadly hordes of the Mask of Winters, to the terrible Anathema. They don't have the petty infighting and civil unrest that the Empire currently has, they are very much a unified block of people, of Dragonblooded. That is something very formidable.

                                As for the Empire recalling resources from the Wyld Hunt, it isn't because it's not worth it. It very much still is, but the Great Houses are more concerned with their personal power and the impending civil war that's just teetering on the tip of the blade.
                                Last edited by Godjaw; 12-20-2014, 02:37 AM.

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