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  • Omicron
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    Ragara is important because he shows that sometimes, the Head of a House just gets old and retires, leaving his descendants in charge; just because there are people older than you in your family doesn't necessarily mean they're the boss. Sometimes old grandpa Ragara just retires in a house in the countryside and enjoys his last few years in peace.

    Also precisely because it shows that even Exalts grow old, with all that implies.

    He pretty much exists to show that the Scarlet Dynasty is not Vampire: the Masquerade.

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  • AnubisXy
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    It always felt a little pointless to have Ragara be a character in the setting and then present him as a senile, unimportant figure. The only thing I can think of that he ever really did was die in a boating accident in 1st edition Alchemicals.

    I just wish they had presented him in a more competent light (as of Year Zero), old yes, but still wily, in charge of his House and plotting for the upcoming civil war. The one time I used him a game, that's how I had him; a secret puppetmaster who was only faking his infirmity in order to throw off his rivals.

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  • Isator Levi
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    Originally posted by Mizu View Post

    Honestly, I'm not sure why the game says Ragara is even still around if they are going to write him off as a senile old lump of fail
    I would say that living to the age of about six hundred and having what might be the second most powerful House in the Realm suggests he was doing something right.

    Unless he's a "lump of fail" on account of having to suffer through the disgusting indignity of old age?

    Originally posted by Mizu
    who was never as awesome as Mnemon anyway and never managed to unlock the secrets of longevity his mother and sister did.
    What makes you think he's not as good as Mnemon? The fact that she saw through his attempt to kill her? How many attempts to kill him do you think he saw through? Hell, how many times is it likely that he protected Sesus and Mnemon after it was made publically apparent that their deaths would be put on him disregarding all circumstances?

    Ragara might not have unlocked any secrets to longevity, since not everybody can be a sorceror, but it would seem fairly in fitting with his House for him to have purchased them. Who's to say that whatever Mnemon has will last her so long? Besides, if the Scarlet Empress was living off of something she had on account of being a Celestial Sorceror, it would be literally impossible for Ragara to unlock it, wouldn't you say?

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  • Lioness
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    Originally posted by HaplessWithDice View Post
    The Pink Princess
    *Adds that to her list of Mnemon nicknames along with Little Red.*

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  • AnubisXy
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    Yeah, I never really saw the point of Ragara either.

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  • Mizu
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    Originally posted by AnubisXy View Post
    The Empress has been around for 700 years. She's had lots of kids and she has outlived most of them. I would be surprised if she got attached much to her children these days.

    Of her kids though, Mnemon is the most successful, and just about the oldest. There probably aren't many people in the Realm who can personally remember things that happened 500 years ago and have discussions with her about those events.

    So I imagine that the Empress probably appreciates Mnemon above just about anyone else in the Realm.
    Honestly, I'm not sure why the game says Ragara is even still around if they are going to write him off as a senile old lump of fail who was never as awesome as Mnemon anyway and never managed to unlock the secrets of longevity his mother and sister did.

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  • AnubisXy
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    The Empress has been around for 700 years. She's had lots of kids and she has outlived most of them. I would be surprised if she got attached much to her children these days.

    Of her kids though, Mnemon is the most successful, and just about the oldest. There probably aren't many people in the Realm who can personally remember things that happened 500 years ago and have discussions with her about those events.

    So I imagine that the Empress probably appreciates Mnemon above just about anyone else in the Realm.

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  • Wise Old Guru
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    I play the Empress as a mother who loves her children...but refuses to put their needs before her duty to Creation. She gives them everything she can: power, riches, monopolies on important Realm functions and business, military power...and she tries to steer them towards what she sees as the correct way to behave, by making an example of those she sees as behaving incorrectly. I see her trying to give her kids as much freedom as she is able, as she has no real freedom herself, and only stepping in to use corrective measures (execution, seizure of assets, whatever) when they abuse that freedom. She understands better than most that the Dragonblooded working together are nigh-invincible...but she remembers the fall of the Shogunate, that hundreds of little warring fiefdoms, and the officers who tried to seize power after she saved the world, and she knows better than most that her children will naturally fight one another for power unless she is there to play referee and to keep things from getting out of hand. She knows a civil war is the inevitable result of her death, and that naming an heir publicly would just make it a shadow war of assassination and intrigue rather than an over tone. She does everything she can to protect her children from each other, starting with the early assassination attempt on her daughter by her son: the goal of her statement was to show that her children must live or die as one, and that they cannot use their ambition and their position to justify betraying one another, not that she loves Mnemon more.

    In my Creation, Big Red can't necessarily be blackmailed by threatening her kids, but she does take their interests into consideration when making important decisions. She loves the little vipers.

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  • HaplessWithDice
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    I honestly treat The Pink Princess's reationship as Horus from Warhammer 40K, and his relationship with his daddy. For those that didn't know Horus's daddy the Emperor of all man-kind did not hug him enough for show him enough love. he though did make him the master of his armies. So Horus threw a Giant Temper tantrum, and summoned up a giant army of demons to attack his daddy's palace.

    I think there are a lot of good parallels and I might just make it a good parrallel.

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  • chance
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    Been using the empress (at least backstory wise since she won't appear on screen) in my latest campaign as someone nearly entirely driven by a fate not even its own architects could control. It would not allow her to care for anything but her role in creation except in private and when nothing more important was around. Probably not entirely fitting with canon but it works for me.

    Also I always read Mnemon as not being an actual sociopath or megalomaniac it is simple the success traits she has identified in the power structures of the realm and as any intelligent and pragmatic dragon blood she adopt them when faced with reality that she would probably otherwise be killed by family. If she would have been a human it would likely drive someone insane over time but medicine and integrity charms prevent that.
    Last edited by chance; 01-21-2015, 07:54 PM.

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  • Isator Levi
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    Mnemon is a sociopathic narcissist, but she was always respectful and knew her place, even sharing some of her mother's sense of humour. She never saw the need to scheme, since she took it as a given that she would outlive her mother and be the prime candidate to succeed her. The biggest source of friction between them seems to have been the matter of how the Scarlet Dynasty was organised; Mnemon doesn't seem to have really gotten the purpose of a dozen odd competing families of heirs.

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  • semicasual
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    My version of the Empress didn't feel any particular emotion about Mnemon, besides a general concern arising from familial obligation (She's Family, and you're supposed to do certain things for Family even if you don't like, trust, or have any familiarity with them), and a vague worry that she might attempt a coup at some point (She's also young, relatively speaking, and just powerful enough to be greedy and reckless). In fact, the Empress didn't have strong feelings for anyone in the decades before she vanished. In response to centuries of hardship and plotting, She allowed Herself to harden until there was almost no empathy left in Her. She still felt emotion, but the only thing the Empress was passionate about is power.

    Mnemon doesn't know it, but she's taking after her mother quickly. She already sees her own mother as some kind of obstacle to her ambitions, although Mnemon is not to the point where she seriously might consider killing the Empress to take the throne. In some ways, the Empress' disappearance is a relief to Mnemon - now she is free to follow her ambitions without having to choose between filial piety, a desire to be respected by her parent, and the pursuit of power.
    Last edited by semicasual; 01-21-2015, 05:49 PM.

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  • turkeygiant
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    Originally posted by Dietaku View Post
    Granted, this is how I imagine her personally, the masses, and even many of the younger Dynasts I've played, see her akin to the depiction of the God-Emperor of 40k; a divine sign of the Dragons' Grace, and the sign that their right to rule is assured in the eyes of Heaven. It also must be said that I play most legion commanders and line officers as popular depictions of the Victorian-era British Royal Army, complete with silent resignation over the degeneracy of their opponents and assured of their victory, what with the Empress and the Dragons watching over them, so I guess my Realm is somewhat British in affectation? I dunno.
    I actually would say I imagine her a bit more like another God-Emperor actually, Paul Atreides of Dune. I picture both of them having a duality to their personas, the pubic face who understands that the entire world rests on their shoulders and to achieve stability they must be willing to perform acts of violence and force, and the private face who values kindness and humanity but also understands that those virtues are external to what it takes to be great leader. I think V'neef might be a reflection of this too, she was pretty clearly being groomed as a possible successor, maybe even more so than Mnemon, and she also would have been the person to unite both these concepts of kindness and strength.

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  • Oriares
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    In my headcanon, Mnemon desperately wants Big Red's love and respect. The irony is that already she has it, but Big Red doesn't show it, because she feels that would weaken her favorite daughter to the point that the things in her that she loves and respects most, her drive and ruthlessness, the things they have most in common, probably only exist because of the strained and distant nature of their relationship.

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  • Dietaku
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    I've always imagined the Empress as being a figure forged by circumstances into very nearly what her propaganda calls her; an unflappable badass whom the universe revolves around. She navigates the labyrinthine politics of her children, setting them one against each other because it amuses her to do so and also fractures their ability to fight her effectively. I would see her as secretly proud of Mnemon for her ability to survive as long as she has, but never able to admit it, as one could easily see another one of the House Elders using this to blackmail her.

    Granted, this is how I imagine her personally, the masses, and even many of the younger Dynasts I've played, see her akin to the depiction of the God-Emperor of 40k; a divine sign of the Dragons' Grace, and the sign that their right to rule is assured in the eyes of Heaven. It also must be said that I play most legion commanders and line officers as popular depictions of the Victorian-era British Royal Army, complete with silent resignation over the degeneracy of their opponents and assured of their victory, what with the Empress and the Dragons watching over them, so I guess my Realm is somewhat British in affectation? I dunno.

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