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  • Originally posted by Allan53 View Post
    I see your point, and I don't want to sound like I'm being dismissive, but first, that's stuff from First Edition, which as far as I'm aware isn't necessarily relevant or correct in 2nd or 3E.
    1e stuff is highly relevant to 3e stuff, in that we love 1e stuff's tone.

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    • Originally posted by Allan53 View Post
      I see your point, and I don't want to sound like I'm being dismissive, but first, that's stuff from First Edition, which as far as I'm aware isn't necessarily relevant or correct in 2nd or 3E.
      First Edition is generally considered to have more credibility, and Third Edition will be more strongly building off of it.

      Originally posted by Allan53
      And second, since when did people turn into wolves and/or summon hundreds of obsidian butterflies from their hand to mince their enemies in real life?
      This is always a terrible argument, but in this case is particularly distracting.

      It's not about the actual mechanism of disease, it's about how disease needs to work like disease actually works to retain resonance.

      This is like if the Guild didn't work by economics but by praying to generate responses from the Order-Conferring Trade Pattern the way people speculated the first time it was mentioned in Masters of Jade previewing and mocked in the actual book.


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      • Hey, Marst made a lot of money in the early days by looking for economic entities that showed signs of still trying to work the Trade Pattern, and scamming the fuck out of them based on known economic failure points likely to appear in models designed for a functional Trade Pattern but operating without it.
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        • Somewhere in Creation there's an army that thought they'd be a-okay when they set up siege if they just kept goats and criminals out of their water supply.

          Fortunately, they're spared the embarrassment of anybody knowing about it because they all died of cholera.


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          • Originally posted by Isator Levi View Post
            Somewhere in Creation there's an army that thought they'd be a-okay when they set up siege if they just kept goats and criminals out of their water supply.

            Fortunately, they're spared the embarrassment of anybody knowing about it because they all died of cholera.
            I am imagining a soldier running at full sprint to tackle an indigenous wild goat before it can reach the nearby stream, and receiving a hearty congratulations from his brothers-in-arms after he succeeds in scaring the long-bearded beast away. Later, they all die horribly of shitting themselves to death.


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            • Originally posted by Robert Vance View Post
              I am imagining a soldier running at full sprint to tackle an indigenous wild goat before it can reach the nearby stream, and receiving a hearty congratulations from his brothers-in-arms after he succeeds in scaring the long-bearded beast away. Later, they all die horribly of shitting themselves to death.
              Beautiful.

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              • I can't breathe... I can't breathe


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                • If you somehow manage a hybrid between a virus and a human . . . you'd get a pretty normal human. After all, a reasonable portion of your DNA is the result of retroviruses infecting one of your ancestors and writing itself into that ancestor's chromosomes.

                  It's not just a relic of ancient prehistory, either. Cattle in the Southwest US and rattlesnakes have a common chunk of DNA that is probably a result of a retrovirus that infected one and was transmitted to the other, the virus writing itself into the hereditary genome of both species. Had to happen some time in the last 500 years or so, since the rattlesnakes and cattle wouldn't have been in contact until then.

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                  • Hey here's a thought on the whole "occult versus realistic" debate of disease: Why aren't they both true?

                    Pissed off spirits can will germs into being from motes, and insert them into people they feel responsible for their difficulties. If placated, they can order the germs to die just as easily.

                    Of course, the problem with this approach is that it spawns disease gods sooner or later, who can countermand the order if entrenched enough, and interfere with attempts to placate until then. Hence, why more conventional medicine exists, as disease gods can't do squat about that, it's literally hardwired into them out of Primordials Having Some Degree of Common Sense.


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                    • Originally posted by Leliel View Post
                      Hey here's a thought on the whole "occult versus realistic" debate of disease: Why aren't they both true?

                      Pissed off spirits can will germs into being from motes, and insert them into people they feel responsible for their difficulties. If placated, they can order the germs to die just as easily.

                      Of course, the problem with this approach is that it spawns disease gods sooner or later, who can countermand the order if entrenched enough, and interfere with attempts to placate until then. Hence, why more conventional medicine exists, as disease gods can't do squat about that, it's literally hardwired into them out of Primordials Having Some Degree of Common Sense.
                      Because, as we already discussed up-thread, it's rather messy and invites punching as prophylaxis and cure.

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                      • Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

                        Because, as we already discussed up-thread, it's rather messy and invites punching as prophylaxis and cure.
                        Really? I didn't see that. Seriously, I skipped a lot of the thread.

                        And in any case, killing the disease gods is only a temporary solution, at best. Their domain is still around, and will spawn a new god sooner or later. The best way to get rid of disease gods is to starve them, ie cure the disease conventionally.

                        And if you're punching the source...the god still needs to be alive to call off the contagion, and if you force him, he's liable to start it up again all over out of spite as soon as your back is turned.



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                        • Originally posted by Robert Vance View Post
                          I am imagining a soldier running at full sprint to tackle an indigenous wild goat before it can reach the nearby stream, and receiving a hearty congratulations from his brothers-in-arms after he succeeds in scaring the long-bearded beast away. Later, they all die horribly of shitting themselves to death.
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                          • Originally posted by Leliel View Post

                            Really? I didn't see that. Seriously, I skipped a lot of the thread.

                            And in any case, killing the disease gods is only a temporary solution, at best. Their domain is still around, and will spawn a new god sooner or later. The best way to get rid of disease gods is to starve them, ie cure the disease conventionally.

                            And if you're punching the source...the god still needs to be alive to call off the contagion, and if you force him, he's liable to start it up again all over out of spite as soon as your back is turned.
                            Actually, the Immaculate Order has quite a successful track record in threatening gods to do what they want. Other Exalted would likely have a similar capacity to shove gods around through violence, or even talking. Talking down a plague is just as bad as being able to stop it by punching it in the face. That's not how you deal with epidemics - you get an expert in medical matters and get what you need for medical supplies.

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                            • I'm pretty sure that the Realm isn't free of epidemics thanks to the Immaculate Order.


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                              • Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

                                Actually, the Immaculate Order has quite a successful track record in threatening gods to do what they want. Other Exalted would likely have a similar capacity to shove gods around through violence, or even talking. Talking down a plague is just as bad as being able to stop it by punching it in the face. That's not how you deal with epidemics - you get an expert in medical matters and get what you need for medical supplies.
                                ...Hm.

                                Actually, this is a good reason to have both shamanism and scientific medicine being both extant disciplines in Creation. Punching works great some of the time, talking works great some of the time, and scientific medicine is grueling, dangerous labor...that works great all of the time. It's not playing with risks that the responsible spirits are mindless, or aren't going to listen to fists.


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