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    I'm trying to figure out rough population numbers of humans, Exalted, and other non-spirit sapients in Creation & Yu-Shan, in the Time of Tumult. I've mostly just gone with what I can find in the 1E Player's Guide and what I've read online, but I'm hoping to compile best estimates based on 2E and what little has been revealed about 3E. I'm looking for any help the good folkage here can offer me

    So far, this is what I have:


    billions of gods and elementals?
    ~ 500 million mortal Humans (probably includes Beastfolk, Wyld mutants, and Relic Races) (~100 million mortals in the Realm) (my guesses: ~200 million East, ~90 million South, ~60 million West, ~50 million North)
    ~ 100 million Fair Folk (mostly "commoners")
    ~ 9.9 million Jadeborn (> 6.5 million Workers, < 3.5 million Warriors, ~10,000 Artisans, <10,000 other Enlightened)
    < 4 million Dragon Kings (< 2 million Raptok) (~13,500 total civilized Dragon Kings)
    ~ 1 million XYZ-blooded (mostly God-Blooded; includes modern Lintha)
    ~ 30 thousand Terrestrial Exalted (~6000 of each aspect, < 30 death-tainted) (~10,000 total in the Realm, ~3000 in Lookshy, ~17,000 elsewhere) (my guesses: ~3000+7000 East, ~4500 South, ~3000 West, ~2500 North)
    ~ 400 Lunar Exalted (includes Chimera)
    ~ 150 Solar Exalted (~ 30 of each caste)
    ~ 100 Abyssal Exalted (~ 20 of each caste)
    ≤ 100 Sidereal Exalted (≤ 20 of each caste, not including children)
    < 100? Getimian Exalted (maybe)
    ~ 24-100? Exigents (mostly unique)
    50 Green Sun Princes (10 of each caste)
    < 12 Liminal Exalted

    Not counted: akuma/infernalists, Olchiliké, ghosts, Pelagials, Underpeople, Darkbroods, talking animals, intelligent plants, land-born, escaped and bound demons, lingering devas, behemoths, least gods, some hosts of Exalted

    Edit: Canon DB numbers fundamentally don't add up, in either edition. Either there are A. fewer than 500 million mortals, or B. more than 10,000 mortals per DB, or C. about 50,000 DBs. I'm assuming B above, and it still doesn't give the Realm half of the world's DBs.

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    Last edited by Erinys; 10-17-2016, 06:23 PM.


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    Liminals I remember seeing less than a hundred, but not anything about less than a dozen. Getimians I'd be surprised if they were more numerous than Sidereals.

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    • #3
      Guessing you meant to type 300 lunars?

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      • #4
        Are there really that few Liminals?

        Numbers on DBs are sometimes said to be 20,000, sometimes 30,000.

        I should warn you though, when people look too hard at demographics in Exalted, they tend to fall apart.


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        • #5
          Originally posted by PlotVitalNPC View Post
          Guessing you meant to type 300 lunars?
          Nope Lunar exalts got an extra 100 new exaltations come 3rd.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by PlotVitalNPC View Post
            Guessing you meant to type 300 lunars?
            For 2e, this would indeed be the case. Erinys noted this is in part going off what little has been revealed of EX3, and John has revealed that there are "around 400" Lunars. To drive the point home, in the same breath, he gave exact numbers of 300 Solars* and 100 Sidereals.

            * It's yet to be explicitly clarified if that means 300 Solars originally, before Abyssals and Infernals, or after Abyssals and Infernals were created. I'll keep on presuming the counts Erinys has listed until we get some confirmation to the contrary, for ease of use, while keeping the converse in mind.

            Originally posted by The Wizard of Oz View Post
            Are there really that few Liminals?
            I don't know that I've seen exact numbers, but it's definitely been said to be very low.

            I can't find a particular reference to Getimian counts, but I thought I remembered hearing there are fewer Getimians than Sidereals.


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            • #7
              The "about 400 Lunars' thing was in 1e also, as a note. The original STC gave the numbers that I think John and Holden ahve stated they're running with Solar, Lunar, Sidereal and Abyssal numbers.

              Terrestrials is mixed. The numbers they give are not very consistent from place to place. One point in 1e and I think 2e somewher enotes the latest census had about 10,000 Dragon-Blooded in the Realm. Lookshy has 3,000. These are the two largest groupings of Terrestrials in 1e and 2e, so I doubt there's much more spread about Creation beyond that.

              3e is working probably on the above numbers more or less, plus with note dhow rare Exigents, Liminals and I would presume Getimians are in edition.

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              • #8
                DB numbers fluctuate alot, and frankly you just need it ballparked. Really would 20k terrestials vs 10k really change anyones campaign? Its more for getting a feel of military power and mortal to exalt ratio. As both a storyteller and player all you really need to know is, if I go into this town how likely (and how many) terrestials should I expect to be here?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Gaius View Post

                  For 2e, this would indeed be the case. Erinys noted this is in part going off what little has been revealed of EX3, and John has revealed that there are "around 400" Lunars. To drive the point home, in the same breath, he gave exact numbers of 300 Solars* and 100 Sidereals.
                  Also, chimerae aren't going to count as a special thing "removed from the pool", since they're just going to have, if the information released holds, a hybrid spirit shape made of two or more animals. Lunars aren't going to particularly care if another of their own has a spirit shape like this, either..

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                  • #10
                    ~100 million Fair Folk (though the number of nobles in that figure's gotta be a more or less microscopic fraction of that).


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

                      Also, chimerae aren't going to count as a special thing "removed from the pool", since they're just going to have, if the information released holds, a hybrid spirit shape made of two or more animals. Lunars aren't going to particularly care if another of their own has a spirit shape like this, either..
                      Surely that was always the case anyway.


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                      • #12
                        Aren't there more than one-hundred Exigents?
                        I thought it was said there was less than a thousand at any given time. I would speculate around seven-hundred.


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by The Wizard of Oz View Post

                          Surely that was always the case anyway.
                          In 2e: tattooed lunars basically wyld hunted any chimera they encountered; often including casteless with too many visible mutations. Partly justified in that at high ends of permanent limit chimera had (mechanically enforced) cannablistic urges.

                          Not sure where the "special thing, removed from the pool" line comes from though. At permanent limit 10 they're no longer considered playable characters; but they never stop being considered lunar exalts.

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                          • #14
                            I vaguely remember something from the Scroll of Heroes saying something about billions of humans living in Creation? Which would put your 500 million estimate a bit on the low side?


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Allan53 View Post
                              I vaguely remember something from the Scroll of Heroes saying something about billions of humans living in Creation? Which would put your 500 million estimate a bit on the low side?
                              I'm fairly certain the 500 million number is canon from another book in the line. So it might be another part of second editions toolbox/conflicting canon feel.

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