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  • #16
    Originally posted by Murcushio View Post
    The Bull is further away and less obviously powerful than Mask, so why wouldn't they react to him the same way?
    The Mask of Winters attacked a city state that had just fought a war with the rest of the Scavenger Lands, Thorns had a few Terrestrial advisors not several of the best equipped Dragon-Blooded Legions. The only obvious power he's shown is Juggernaut.


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    • #17
      Originally posted by Lioness View Post
      The only obvious power he's shown is Juggernaut.
      This is a little bit like saying "the only obvious power he's shown is a tactical nuclear weapon," I think.

      Also, he has Deathknights openly working for him, and Deathknights are pretty fucking scary.

      Moreover, Thorns is right across the inland sea from the Realm. Mask is basically saying "yeah, I'm less than a week away from the heart of the Realm, and I just don't give a fuck."

      The Realm's response to this provocation has been lackluster at best. So I think it reasonable their response to Tepet would also be lackluster, although I suppose you could argue both are unrealistic.


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      • #18
        I'm on board with the Empress setting the Tepet Legions up to fail. The part that doesn't make sense is that she would allow the Bull to hold on to his powerbase, but given her disappearance, it's reasonable to assume that she had a plan, but that she just didn't have time to set it in motion.

        I figure the actual battles were more like the scene in Kingdom of Heaven where Raynald of Châtillon leads the army of Jerusalem with no water or supply lines. Or any European invasion of Russia, for that matter.


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        • #19
          Originally posted by DrLoveMonkey View Post
          That's inteesting, I never thought of it that way before. I always assumed because it was far away and they were rivals that people didn't really care so much. Thinking about it more though, what happens when the boats full of the broken wounded soldiers come back into the Imperial City with horror stories. Would the other houses still be saying "hah, stupid Tepet, glad that could never happen to us. Now let's get to work tearing apart their houses holdings!"
          It's 2/3rds of one of the 8 Great Houses that contain most of the Isle's Dragon-Blooded population (and possibly the oldest Great House). Even at a conservative estimate those are losses comparable to those of a World War.
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          • #20
            It would also make more sense if it had happened in Icewalker territory instead of Halta.


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            • #21
              I am happy for the Bull to win, and win big with no narratively imposed "there must be a balanced story" drawbacks to his victory (wars can be one-sided!) but I'd prefer it if the reason he won was a more sensible in terms of strategy and logistics.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Erinys View Post
                It would also make more sense if it had happened in Icewalker territory instead of Halta.
                Part of the Bull winning could be because they had managed to move down the army undetected to Halta, and ambushed the Legions there. Everyone in the Legion thinking the enemy is a thousand miles away.

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                • #23
                  Tywin Lannister would approve.


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                  • #24
                    IMO its just fine - but the specifics as detailed in various splats and whatnot muddy the waters

                    As an example of what a Dawn caste solar can do if given a few years and a few thousand barbarians - its perfect

                    There is also fluff which states that it was on Ketchup Carjack's orders that the "troublesome" Tepet legion was 'fed' to the Bull - indicating that other things might also have been sabotaged along the way.

                    Of course, there is also fluff somewhere that said that there were one or more elder sid assassins on the Tepet side at the battle of futile blood - and honestly, the bull migth be a Solar Dawn caste with a few years of uninhibited power development, but that shouldn't trump +1 elder sid assassin.


                    Still, my only main gripe with the whole event is that its never explained why the Tepet legion was 'troublesome' - why did the bronze faction sacrifice it?


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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Tiresias View Post
                      I'm on board with the Empress setting the Tepet Legions up to fail.
                      This is actually my biggest issue.

                      Why?

                      Because before the Empress disappeared there were no Tepet Legions there were only the Imperial Legions.

                      When the Empress disappeared the Imperial Legions were called home and divided between the Houses. How could the Empress make a decision to sacrifice something something that did not exist prior to her disappearance?


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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Murcushio View Post
                        This is a little bit like saying "the only obvious power he's shown is a tactical nuclear weapon," I think.
                        Juggernaut is not especially movable, getting it across the Inland Sea would be a logistical nightmare.



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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Jutlander View Post
                          Because before the Empress disappeared there were no Tepet Legions there were only the Imperial Legions.
                          Not accurate to my recollection.

                          The Houses have always had legions to control and police the satrapies divvied out to them by the Empress. The Houses are basically delegated to manage these regions for her, and gain boons and a share of her rightful plunder as part of it.

                          The Imperial Legions were always separate - a military force loyal only to the Empress and none of the Houses to be the Empress's private military whom she could always depend on if one of the Houses got too militarily strong.


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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by The Hug Ninja View Post
                            Juggernaut is not especially movable, getting it across the Inland Sea would be a logistical nightmare.
                            There's no reason for this to be the case. Juggernaut has no need to breathe, nor do a good portion of the Mask of Winters' troops. They could skip the ships and just walk across the sea floor.



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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Kyeudo View Post
                              There's no reason for this to be the case. Juggernaut has no need to breathe, nor do a good portion of the Mask of Winters' troops. They could skip the ships and just walk across the sea floor.
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                              • #30
                                Juggernaut is the size of a mountain, and filled with maggots bigger than horses. I doubt that fish would make much impact.
                                Besides, if it's really an issue they can try to find some ghost or Abyssal magic to make all the undead poisonous.


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