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  • The Tepet Legions being crush like insects by the Bull: The Worf Level of this is...?






    Well ? Is the Tepet being defeated by a porn-stache Solar a well-written piece of fluff ?

    This thing involve so many retcon like the Realm wanting the Tepet to lose, the unnamed Solar who defeat the Tepet Legion is later revealed to be the Bull, Sudden Sidereal involvement!, Demon Pact with Jacint, Treesuetopia Halta out-of-nowhere (it's no surprise that Sue like the Bull and Halta manage to find each other despise being thousand of miles apart), I mean, they even manage to drag Lyta into this mess (one of the book mention a Solar killing all the Immaculate Monks who are on their way to help the Tepet when she escaped the Isle).

    I mean, 4? newly Solar slaughter hundred of experienced DB, and later book try so fricking hard to justify this just make me so annoyed somehow. So yeah, do people still want to see this whole thing (include the Lyta accidentally help, Samea having Solar Circle Sorcery, Treesuetopia,...etc) being ported to Third Edition.
    Last edited by Lioness; 03-27-2015, 10:10 AM. Reason: fixing spelling

  • Isator Levi
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    Originally posted by Greyman
    One solar can outfight twenty Dragonblooded if it is not all at once.
    This is kind of internally contradictory, as though I was saying "we can't have a Solar outfight a single Dragon Blooded on multiple different occasions". Like, I'm positing in the direction of a scenario where a Solar led army fights six legions, manages to put them to rout, and then is faced with the surviving officers and specialists closing ranks into a circle (even if part of my notion of fighting a legion is that, if it falls to rout, it will often carry some of the Exalted away with it whether they're willing or not).

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  • Trax
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    Years of exploiting glitchy AI in video games finally coming to use.

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  • Saur Ops Specialist
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    Originally posted by Greyman View Post
    One solar can outfight twenty Dragonblooded if it is not all at once. Divide and conquer. Skirmish and misdirect.
    Keep running and fighting them one on one, Yahiko.

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  • Greyman
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    Originally posted by Isator Levi View Post
    (Hmm, I need to recompile my thoughts on reconciling the paradigm of any given Realm legion having close to a hundred Terrestrials in it with the idea that an army of mortals led by about five Celestials could not only win but kill a lot of the Dragon Blooded, without it coming down to a simple "one Solar is worth twenty Dragon Blooded" metric)
    One solar can outfight twenty Dragonblooded if it is not all at once. Divide and conquer. Skirmish and misdirect.

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  • Janissary87
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    Originally posted by Isator Levi View Post
    (Hmm, I need to recompile my thoughts on reconciling the paradigm of any given Realm legion having close to a hundred Terrestrials in it with the idea that an army of mortals led by about five Celestials could not only win but kill a lot of the Dragon Blooded, without it coming down to a simple "one Solar is worth twenty Dragon Blooded" metric)

    I'd begin with the idea that Dragonblooded, for the most part, are tactically powerful while established Solar -with a power base- are strategically powerful. Given enough time and a home field advantage, a group of Solar fighting within their own culture and standing as the folk-hero demigods of their chosen people will likely avail over dozens to less than hundred Dragonblooded -if they can keep the Dragonblooded split up.

    The DB legions are not used to fighting grand scale Solar war against a full circle, they're used to squashing mostly mortal uprisings and occasional Lunar or Raksha skirmishes. A full Circle of Solar who are properly leading and moving their people is a force beyond the scale of anything in the last two hundred years.

    If the Tepet Legions could have better knowledge of what they were up against and how to fight 500 or so unit bands of Tiger Warriors, I imagine the battle would have gone very differently and I would likely put my bets on the Tepets. Things being what they are, I'm not terribly surprised that the Tepets got their collective asses handed to them. The tactics that have worked well for hundreds of years just aren't as meaningful against thousands of mortals fighting in their own terrain, trained by and led by a Solar General, and backed by a full circle. It doesn't make the Dragonblooded into a Wharf situation, it gives them a reason to be concerned if not frightened.

    And really, at the closing of the Age of Sorrows, every mover and shaker from all celestials to terrestrials to gods or what-have-you have a reason to be frightened. If they're not, they're not paying close enough attention.

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    Umm, I seem to be going off on a tangent. I think the problem is seeing battles like this in the sense of an x is worth y z's metric at all. In this particular war, the Dragonblooded underestimated their opponents and did not understand what it meant to fight this kind of war. The next time this situation comes up it will be very different. Or in other words; sometimes five db are worth one Solar, sometimes a hundred db are worth one solar, sometimes it takes a full circle to take down even a single DB Immaculate martial arts master (depending on essence level, charms, and luck).

    The situations are so much more interesting than numerical metrics anyway.

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  • Trax
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    The Tepets and the Realm suffered as massive loss here as the Romans did in the Teutoburg Forest under similar circumstances. That one Solar will very quickly find itself in a new host if he thinks he can fight such numbers without tactics or strategy that improves his odds, while negating the advantages of his enemies.

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  • Isator Levi
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    (Hmm, I need to recompile my thoughts on reconciling the paradigm of any given Realm legion having close to a hundred Terrestrials in it with the idea that an army of mortals led by about five Celestials could not only win but kill a lot of the Dragon Blooded, without it coming down to a simple "one Solar is worth twenty Dragon Blooded" metric)

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  • Isator Levi
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    Originally posted by Tiresias
    Or any European invasion of Russia, for that matter.
    I've got to say, Russia has done pretty well for spinning the occasions in which it was unsuccessfully invaded from the west into some kind of intrinsic paradigm of being impossible to invade. Still, one might consider the results of that rather noteworthy occasion where they were invaded from the east (by people who were all riding resource-intensive horses, no less). General Winter wasn't much use then, was he?

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  • Bastet
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    Originally posted by Hand-of-Omega View Post
    As for other Solars not matching the Bulls' accomplishments, is it too unrealistic to think that none of the other Dawns just have any desires to walk the path of a Warlord's conquest (excepting your PCs, of course)? Apparently, they are all content walking the earth, being mercenary captains, assassins, or other "small-scale" jobs...
    If it shakes out feeling like the Solar Exalted consist of your circle and his circle, yes.

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  • Erinys
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    I don't have that book and haven't seen anything between its covers.
    But nope, not at all surprised.
    Last edited by Erinys; 03-30-2015, 12:30 PM.

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  • Yzarc
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    Originally posted by Erinys View Post
    ....huh. Comparing that to his artwork in Games of Divinity, that truly is Ligier. Except for the hair color and slightly different earrings, he looks the same. Thanks for clearing up my confusion.

    Samea's outfit is super-skimpy I'M AN ADAMANT SORCERESS I WEAR WHATEVER I WANT! attire.
    After savant and the sorcerer are you really surprised?

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  • Erinys
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    ....huh. Comparing that to his artwork in Games of Divinity, that truly is Ligier. Except for the hair color and slightly different earrings, he looks the same. Thanks for clearing up my confusion.

    Samea's outfit is super-skimpy I'M AN ADAMANT SORCERESS I WEAR WHATEVER I WANT! attire.

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  • Hand-of-Omega
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    Originally posted by Erinys View Post
    That picture on p. 257 of the girl in super-skimpy attire under the greenish guy? I always thought he was a Lintha and the rest of the picture was incomprehensible. Is he supposed to be Ligier?
    Super-skimpy *barbarian* attire, and that would be Ligier, yep! An odd take on the two, I admit, but chalk it up to "artistic license"...

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  • Erinys
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    Originally posted by Hand-of-Omega View Post
    Samea has long been the poster girl for SCS. In addition to the afore-mentioned castebook fiction, that's her in the corebook illustrating the Demon of the Third Circle spell, and she actually does this in one of the chapter comics.
    That picture on p. 257 of the girl in super-skimpy attire under the greenish guy? I always thought he was a Lintha and the rest of the picture was incomprehensible. Is he supposed to be Ligier?

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