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  • #31
    Originally posted by Robert Vance View Post
    Either can be both. Sorcerous initiations are designed to be extremely inclusive of character concepts, not to exclude them.
    That's great to hear! Thank you!

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Zelbinnean View Post
      You just don't use your own mote pool.
      What do you use then?

      Is it like blood magic in Dragon Age where you can suck the blood from your enemies and use it to empower your spells?




      Come and rock me Amadeus.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by hippokrene View Post
        What do you use then?
        There were comments about collecting ambient Essence in one of the threads.

        Originally posted by hippokrene View Post
        Is it like blood magic in Dragon Age where you can suck the blood from your enemies and use it to empower your spells?
        Maybe? That would be an awesome option though.


        "Chicanery-No: If a player uses this Charm in an abusive or exploitative manner, the ST may punch him right in the goddamn face." --TheDementedOne

        "Happiness is very brittle and short-lived in the Exalted community, because ressentiment is our cultural touchstone." --Gayo

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Zelbinnean View Post
          There were comments about collecting ambient Essence in one of the threads.
          From what I can remember it's similar to a charging sequence, which makes me think of megaman and makes me hope I can overcharge a spell to get a super version. That would be so stupid, but I want it so much.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by JayTee View Post
            From what I can remember it's similar to a charging sequence, which makes me think of megaman and makes me hope I can overcharge a spell to get a super version. That would be so stupid, but I want it so much.
            Remember, this is Exalted. Awesome is never stupid in Exalted.


            Heroes die. Hope is a phoenix.

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            • #36
              You could argue that 2e:s shape sorcery action was this, although there you still had to pay the spell cost from your own mote pool. Here's hoping that that is not going to be the case again. Being crippled for a round mumbling and waving my arms around only to get stabbed in the chest sounds less like the combat sorcery I would like...

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              • #37
                Well, if Sorcery is something you can charge, that'd just be swell.

                I mean, maybe it is a sense of 'charging' motes for the spell. Exalts have the advantage in that they already have a mote pool. If they want, they can just cast the spell. Or they can charge the spell so they don't use any of their own essence, or maybe that can combine the two for a greater effect.

                Mortals, on the other hand, have to charge their spell.

                Personally, I like the idea of taking a turn or two to summon the energies of a spell to unleash vast havoc, but at the same time, I see its complications and undesirability in combat. Still, for a mortal game with a Sorcerer in it, having your other mortal companions protect you while you work can be fun and suspenseful.

                I just...I just want to KNOW already! DX

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                • #38
                  Er, wasn't that how Thaumaturgy worked? A procedure collected the Essence necesssary and the idea that an Exalt could shave time off by supplying Essence from their pool was nerfed?


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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Drecain View Post
                    You could argue that 2e:s shape sorcery action was this, although there you still had to pay the spell cost from your own mote pool. Here's hoping that that is not going to be the case again. Being crippled for a round mumbling and waving my arms around only to get stabbed in the chest sounds less like the combat sorcery I would like...
                    This assumes that the only way to save up Essence to cast is to stand there gesticulating wildly.

                    Given how much people hated this is past ends, and given other statements Vance has made, I really doubt this is going to be the only method. Hell, it may not even be a method. There's really nothing fun about being forced to stand around and gesticulate wildly for several turns, and Vance said that combat sorcery was fun to play.


                    "Chicanery-No: If a player uses this Charm in an abusive or exploitative manner, the ST may punch him right in the goddamn face." --TheDementedOne

                    "Happiness is very brittle and short-lived in the Exalted community, because ressentiment is our cultural touchstone." --Gayo

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Zelbinnean View Post
                      This assumes that the only way to save up Essence to cast is to stand there gesticulating wildly.

                      Given how much people hated this is past ends, and given other statements Vance has made, I really doubt this is going to be the only method. Hell, it may not even be a method. There's really nothing fun about being forced to stand around and gesticulate wildly for several turns, and Vance said that combat sorcery was fun to play.
                      I disagree with your premise.

                      Holden's favored examples include Invulnerable Skin of Bronze and Wood Dragon's Claw. Sorcerers can be combat threats without being 100% dedicated to spellcasting.

                      As far as spells meant for combat casting are concerned, maybe things like Death of Obsidian Butterflies and such pack a bigger punch, but they're not D&D insta-cast, either. You're investing extra time for a bigger bang, and finding the space to do that could be a big part of the fun.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Ren9077 View Post
                        I disagree with your premise.
                        Which premise would that be? Your post is unclear.

                        Originally posted by Ren9077 View Post
                        Sorcerers can be combat threats without being 100% dedicated to spellcasting.
                        Uh, where exactly did I say they couldn't/shouldn't be?

                        I said people generally didn't like the "to cast a spell, you must stand there like an idiot and gesticulate for 1-3 rounds" rule of 2e, which was always a truly terrible rule for how it completely screwed over sorcerers. I don't think this is gonna be a problem in 3e because I doubt the "stand there like an idiot" is going to be a Required Thing to cast to begin with, if it's even a Thing at all. There are much more interesting ways to draw in ambient Essence than standing there gesticulating wildly.


                        "Chicanery-No: If a player uses this Charm in an abusive or exploitative manner, the ST may punch him right in the goddamn face." --TheDementedOne

                        "Happiness is very brittle and short-lived in the Exalted community, because ressentiment is our cultural touchstone." --Gayo

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                        • #42
                          I'm hoping for actual Mass Summoning...meaning, actually summoning multiple demons at a time, instead of what prior editions *called* Mass Summoning, which turned out to be just a marathon session of summoning one demon a night until your numbers were met.

                          I never had a chance to test it, but I started homebrewing a system for Terrestrial cooperative sorcery using the teamwork rules, where a group of sorcerers can focus their power onto the one with the highest Occult/Essence; this would allow him to supercharge Terrestrial spells, and even cast Celestial spells to a limited degree. Mainly, they still couldn't initiate into the Celestial level, and they couldn't internalize the spells, which had to be cast from a book or scroll each time. There was also to be an increased chance of botching, with disastrous results.

                          I hadn't decided if Celestial Exalted could do the same with Solar magic or not...

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                          • #43
                            Mass summoning...I dunno. It makes it very impersonal in a way. I think demon summoning should always seem like a big deal and clash of wills even if it's a Solar who summons a sesseljae after every weekend bender. Mass summoning unfortunately reminds me too much of using Summon Monster V to call several creatures off the Summon Monster Iv list at once.


                            "Chicanery-No: If a player uses this Charm in an abusive or exploitative manner, the ST may punch him right in the goddamn face." --TheDementedOne

                            "Happiness is very brittle and short-lived in the Exalted community, because ressentiment is our cultural touchstone." --Gayo

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                            • #44
                              What about "Summon Monster" type spells, which allow you to summon up a demon (or ghost or whatever) in combat time, skip the battle of wills, but then the demon vanishes at the end of the scene?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by AnubisXy View Post
                                What about "Summon Monster" type spells, which allow you to summon up a demon (or ghost or whatever) in combat time, skip the battle of wills, but then the demon vanishes at the end of the scene?
                                That's way too D&D and I don't feel like it fits the pulp sorcerer aesthetic. Summoning a demon should always be a big deal if only ritually, even if your binding success is basically guaranteed by your puissance. I think something is taken away from it if it's so casual.


                                "Chicanery-No: If a player uses this Charm in an abusive or exploitative manner, the ST may punch him right in the goddamn face." --TheDementedOne

                                "Happiness is very brittle and short-lived in the Exalted community, because ressentiment is our cultural touchstone." --Gayo

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