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  • #46
    1st Edition Lookshy is a place I would like to see. Also, please bring back the Infinite weapon!

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Blaque View Post
      As for Lookshy itself:

      I also wouldn't mind seeing more on Lookshy's version of the Immaculate fatih. I always got this kind of Protestant-to-Catholic contrast between Lookshy and the Realm's flavor of the religion. I also think the Order of Chaplains could do to have more fleshing-out. Things like sohei and their socrerer-exorcist methods in contrast with the sorcerer-engineers would be pretty sweet. I honestly always imagined them having a sponsered small Zen garden or something in some cities.

      Less friendly to Anathema. No standing permanent Wyld Hunt doesn't suddenly mean they tolerate the presence of Solars or Lunars in their city.

      Probably no more of that destiny of doom on them and seals agaist Sidereal interference. Was that in 1e at all?

      And stuff.
      Don't remember when the Sidereal Seal came up, but it does serve a useful purpose in showing just why the Siddies didn't make Lookshy's culture a carbon copy of the Realm's (it also keeps them from sabotaging Lookshy during the wars with the Realm). In fact, the Immaculate Faith could well be what the Order would have naturally developed into without the Viziers in control of it!

      I would also like a more in-depth look at the Chaplains; I always saw them as having an Onmyoji-feel...

      On the whole, if the Realm takes inspiration from Imperial Rome/China, then I see Lookshy as being their equivalent of Sparta/Japan. While the Rome is all about excess and debauchery, Lookshy distinguishes itself by virtues of austerity and simplicity, and this shows in their art, architecture, music and dress. They are proud of their military heritage, and every DB House has use for even their non-functioning Dragon Armor, taking a place of honor next to the family shrine.

      One detail I liked in 1E was that the Reaper Daiklave was the signature weapon of Lookshy. That really reinforces a Samurai aesthetic, I feel...I can even see some disaffected Dynasts irritating their elders by adopting Lookshyan dress and speech, at least until actual hostilities begin. Elder Dynasts may also find much to admire about the more restrained, purposeful city-state.

      The emphasis on meritocracy seemed a little too self-consciously egalitarian to me. The Terrestrials in the population *really* consider themselves no better than the mortals they serve with? Maybe the Outcastes who join Lookshy feel that way, but the ones born into it's powerful Gens probably would not.

      When I mentioned Lookshy being "fair", I was mainly thinking of the section where they are shown to deal fairly with Scavenger Lords, paying fair prices for their finds instead of just taking them by force. Of course, you WANT people to keep bringing you things, so it only makes sense to cultivate a reputation for fair dealing. But what about that time the Relic Hunter finds something you desperately need and doesn't want to do business with you...?


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      • #48
        Originally posted by Hand-of-Omega View Post

        Don't remember when the Sidereal Seal came up, but it does serve a useful purpose in showing just why the Siddies didn't make Lookshy's culture a carbon copy of the Realm's (it also keeps them from sabotaging Lookshy during the wars with the Realm).
        Or Sidereals just can't trivially do stuff like that anyway.


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        • #49
          Originally posted by Isator Levi View Post

          Or Sidereals just can't trivially do stuff like that anyway.
          Plus, even if they could....would they? Remember, not every Sidereal likes the Realm/Bronze, and of those that don't the largest concentration is in the East. Plus, having another Realm likely wouldn't be good, as the two Realms would be at each others throats even more, as unlike before Lookshy!Realm would likely try to be a bit offensive, rather than almost purely defensive. Or they'd be subsumed into the Larger Realm.

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          • #50

            Originally posted by Isator Levi
            Or Sidereals just can't trivially do stuff like that anyway.
            Originally posted by CoSaR View Post
            Plus, even if they could....would they? Remember, not every Sidereal likes the Realm/Bronze, and of those that don't the largest concentration is in the East. Plus, having another Realm likely wouldn't be good, as the two Realms would be at each others throats even more, as unlike before Lookshy!Realm would likely try to be a bit offensive, rather than almost purely defensive. Or they'd be subsumed into the Larger Realm.
            Well, I didn't say *trivially* mold Lookshy's culture and/or religion, Isator...But they DID successfully shape the Shogunate and Immaculate Order into the shape they wanted for hundreds of years and many generations, and the Blessed Isle and associated territories (which were much larger during the Shogunate) is a much larger population than what would become the modern state of Lookshy. So I don't see it as taking THAT much more effort to add Lookshy to the program they already had going.

            CoSaR, good point about the Factions, but remember that the Gold Faction canonically went along with the Bronze as there was no point in doing otherwise until the Solars reappeared, and GF membership started skyrocketing. Leading up to that, the Silver Faction probably had more influence than the Gold...

            We can only speculate what Lookshy would look like with active BF interference, of course. Probably the best case scenario for the BF would be for Lookshy to become another Realm, as they would effectively be a colony, loyally serving the Empress, and a gateway for her conquest of the East, which would have little hope of resisting. As was brought up in the Realm Colonies thread, this would normally lead to Realm-Lookshy rebelling, but as long as Her Redness had the keys to the Grid, they wouldn't dare risk another Tigers situation. Once she disappeared, however, all bets are off...

            All things said, while that could work, I find the current situation more interesting. But the seal keeping the Sids out is actually a good explanation for why things are the way they are now.




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            • #51
              I would like helot culture to be detailed further. The mythology of military cultures, fictional or not, is always fascinating.

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              • #52
                That's one hell of a thread necro.


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                • #53
                  Wow, yeah. Gonna need to reread this one, maybe reread the Lookshy chapters, and see if I still feel the same way as back then...

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Zelbinnean View Post
                    That's one hell of a thread necro.
                    Yep. Back before the Kickstarter, when we didn't know the Caul from Adam...when 3E hadn't even been released yet.
                    Oh, wait.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Blaque View Post
                      On the helotry, I kind of am in a mindset that the term helot is just not appropriate for what they are. There's a class of citizens and peasants, but the way Lookshy runs makes me think Roman-style patricians and plebians or Athenian citizens and not-citizens more than it does Spartan citizens and helots. The term just has different connotations in its use anywhere but here and comes off as token exoticism as it is. Lookshy having actual slaves doesn't help this either. I think a basic concept of citizen (Dragon-Blooded and their familes), some term for non-citizen with less baggage and slave fits the place more. Even just peasant fits better I would say.
                      The term "Denizen" seems appropriate, as it means one who dwells with a place, without being a legally recognised member of the state.

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                      • #56
                        Still better than Halta.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Greyman View Post
                          The term "Denizen" seems appropriate, as it means one who dwells with a place, without being a legally recognised member of the state.
                          That may be the actual meaning of the word, but it's commonly used enough that most people just know it as "dweller", without the rest. And it's bound to be used in other contexts, which would just be confusing.

                          Blaque mentioned the term "Plebian", which I think would fit very well.

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