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    Loving lunars, so much of my hopes for 3E is pinned on FINALLY having a splat that doesn't require wholesale rewrite. But one of my biggest hopes-- is that a lunar who isn't primarily a shapechanger, like Seven Devils Clever, is just as legitimate and useful a design space as someone who monsters out into godzilla.

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    My hope for 3e Lunars is that a get a firm handle on their themes and design space. I still think of them as superhero Garou.


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    • #3
      Thinking about it now, I think I'd rather be sold on the usefulness of shapeshifting rather than just being able to ignore it.


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      • #4
        Seven Devil Clever.

        That said, guess it's gonna depend on your definition of "legitimate."

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        • #5
          I'll agree with a lot of what's being said. I want to feel like I could play a Lunar who embraces the animalistic shapeshifting, and one who feels that she's outgrown it, and for both to feel:

          a.) Lunar
          b.) Effective
          c.) Interesting.

          Also, I'd like Faithful Pia to show up again. Just because I really like the subversion of the adorable catgirl and she seems to really fit the "monster/good person with a good person/monster inside" idea that's been mentioned..

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mockery View Post
            I'll agree with a lot of what's being said. I want to feel like I could play a Lunar who embraces the animalistic shapeshifting, and one who feels that she's outgrown it, and for both to feel:

            a.) Lunar
            b.) Effective
            c.) Interesting.
            Agreed. Now that there's a much firmer grasp on Lunar themes among the writing staff, I'm really interested in how their Charmset shakes out.

            Also, I'd like Faithful Pia to show up again. Just because I really like the subversion of the adorable catgirl and she seems to really fit the "monster/good person with a good person/monster inside" idea that's been mentioned..
            I'm likewise curious to see how (and how well) former Lunars fit into the new thematic descriptor. Also, I guess, to see some elaboration on it (or at least some more examples). >.> "'Good' person with a monster inside or monster with a good person inside" that is neither Dexter nor a werewolf story leaves me unclear enough to do much speculation.


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            • #7
              Originally posted by NewK View Post
              Loving lunars, so much of my hopes for 3E is pinned on FINALLY having a splat that doesn't require wholesale rewrite. But one of my biggest hopes-- is that a lunar who isn't primarily a shapechanger, like Seven Devils Clever, is just as legitimate and useful a design space as someone who monsters out into godzilla.
              All Lunars are going to be shapeshifters. Shapeshifting is kind of what they do.

              Originally posted by hippokrene
              My hope for 3e Lunars is that a get a firm handle on their themes and design space. I still think of them as superhero Garou.
              But Garou are already superheroes!... that also happen to be monsters. Trying to move past your tendency to chew off faces and make the world a better place is pretty much the heart of W:TA.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Tiresias View Post
                Thinking about it now, I think I'd rather be sold on the usefulness of shapeshifting rather than just being able to ignore it.
                I'd prefer a sturdy Charmset that allows you to be a shapeshifter without really engaging with the Heart's Blood thing, because there are limits to what "eat thing, become thing" can give you.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

                  But Garou are already superheroes!... that also happen to be monsters. Trying to move past your tendency to chew off faces and make the world a better place is pretty much the heart of W:TA.
                  I thought it was making the world a better place by chewing peoples' faces off. I may have played it incorrectly.


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by hippokrene View Post
                    I thought it was making the world a better place by chewing peoples' faces off. I may have played it incorrectly.
                    Sometimes, you need to chew off someone's face. Other times, you need to restrain yourself, or you'll never manage to make any progress digging yourself out of the hole in which your ancestors' actions placed you.

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                    • #11
                      My biggest hope for 3e Lunars is that they will one day actually exist.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tiresias View Post
                        Thinking about it now, I think I'd rather be sold on the usefulness of shapeshifting rather than just being able to ignore it.
                        It being useful doesn't need to mean that it's your primary thing.

                        I obviously can't speak for NewK, but I can plausibly read that request as just wanting Seven Devil Clever to not feel like she's going around with a handicap by only occasionally shapeshifting (which given the Lunar context, probably means turning into an animal).

                        I mean, I'll do NewK one better and point at Raksi as somebody who isn't really primarily a shapeshifter, because the biggest thing she's about (sorcerous research) isn't something where it's necessarily useful, even if she does shapeshift at times (such as to eat people, or to turn into people she's eaten before having sex).

                        I think what we've gotten hinted at so far suggests it will go well.


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                        • #13
                          Isator Levi has the truth-- It's not that I hate shapechanging into monstes and animals and such-- that's attractive. But I want the other route-- teh clever Nexus urchin who doesn't do that-- or woh "changes" in a more thematic sense, being the person who just can fit in in the underworld-- to be utterly playable without feeling that "Boy, I dumped a ton of XP and I'm STILL weak sauce compared to Mr. "Turns into a monster and rips your head off.""

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                          • #14
                            I would wish that there was a point to stealing the shapes of non-Exalt supernatural creatures. Say, if I eat a demon (and have the Charm to learn his shape), I would get at least some of his Charms and inherent powers, but I would only be able to use them while wearing his shape (and I would not be able to combo them).


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                            • #15
                              I always liked the conceptual space Lunars inhabited (peerless shapeshifters, noble savages, shamanism, world walkers, etc) but mechanically I never cared for them. I'm hoping the writers can get everything to click.

                              That said, one thing I am hoping to see is some of the tactics that the Lunars use to battle and baffle the Realm and the Dragon Blooded.

                              For example, a Lunar who intentionally flares his anima to bring down a Wyld Hunt. After the Realm sends a Wyld Hunt after him, the Lunar just turns into a bird and flies a thousand miles away. That sort of tactic is draining, both to the Realm's coffers (the expense of sending a Wyld Hunt to the Threshold) but also to the moral of the Dragon Blooded (who spent months traveling across the oceans and into the hinterlands, only to realize that they wasted their time.

                              Or worse, that Lunar is just a member of a pack who work together to draw the Wyld Hunt into an ambush and pick them off. This sort of tactic was suggested in Mnemon's story in Aspect Book: Earth.

                              So far we haven't really ever seen much along those lines, which tends to make the Lunars look like they've been sitting around with their collective thumbs up their asses, and get curb stomped whenever they try to do something that brings them into direct conflict with the Realm.

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