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  • Originally posted by Xerxes View Post
    Good to know, although infuriating that we're expected to pay for some baseline functionality to some charm trees. Part of me is also curious as to what they'll be called. "The Backer Charms" doesn't strike me as an interesting title.
    A friend of mine who got the Backer PDF has informed me that apparently the title on the front is "Miracles of the Solar Exalted", which is a MUCH more interesting title.


    Disclaimer: I'll huff, grump, and defend my position, but if you're having fun I'll never say you're doing it wrong.

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    • Originally posted by Xerxes View Post
      Acting

      ONE CHARM!!??? This is really extracting the urine. I appreciate that there's the omni-applicable stuff, but Performance could have done with a lot more love.
      On the one hand, I kinda think that the Performance tree as a whole - not in parts - offers plenty of stuff for a player to use.

      On the other hand, I can see how a player who wants to express themselves through only one art form might feel limited in their options.


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      • Originally posted by Xerxes View Post
        Not for now, as this is relating to my impressions from the core. It may do later, if us plebs who have only joined up recently are allowed access at some point. If not, it only adds to my opinion that Ex3 was only ever intended to appeal to existing users.

        Which, in fairness, needs to change not only because it's an asinine position to hold, but it's also running counter to the evidence. Ex3 has only been off the top spot on DTRPG on point I've checked since its released (I've been checking multiple times per week), which means it MUST be bringing in new players.
        Well, maybe. Exalted's been very popular for quite a while; I expect it could support that ranking on the old crowd alone. But of course that doesn't mean it's not bringing in new people.

        Anyway, my impression is that Exalted was mainly written for its writers. Which is sensible, if you ask me. Artistic motivations are good to have in an unprofitable market.

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        • Originally posted by Sanctaphrax View Post
          Anyway, my impression is that Exalted was mainly written for its writers. Which is sensible, if you ask me. Artistic motivations are good to have in an unprofitable market.
          True enough, but that does leave glaring holes that the developers and other established players just glide over.


          A Not-Quite-Newb's Read-Through of Ex3 - my thoughts, notes and trials and tribulations with the Exalted 3rd edition rules.
          Ex3 Reference Materials - currently includes an ST screen, common actions sheet, weapons reference sheet, character creation summary and mortal QCs reference sheet.

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          • Voice

            Voice-Hurling Method
            • Exalt is a fantastic ventriloquist.
            • Exalt can project her voice up to short range, making it seem like it comes from particular objects, locations, people and animals. Can be done for one social action or a pronouncement lasting up to 10 seconds. Can use it to speak without giving away her position, giving a 2-success penalty to those trying to find her.
            • What, no double 9s to start us off?
            Cunning Mimicry Technique
            • Solar has a fantastic ear and voice, which allows her to flawlessly mimic a voice she knows.
            • Solar must spend an hour memorising the speech patterns of the copied character. She can mimic the voice for up to one social influence or 10 seconds of verbiage.
            • No mention on whether the 1-hour investment is a one-off thing? I'm appalled if this is has to actually be done every time for a single action of mimicry. Houseruled!
            Most Excellent Mockingbird
            • Exalted ditches all of her senses to become a perfect mimic of one sound.
            • Can perfectly mimic someone she could copy with Cunning Mimicry Technique for a scene. Can still speak with her own voice if required, and can use CMT to mimic the voice of others.
            • Hmmm... shouldn't this have been the single power all along?
            Splendid Magpie Approach
            • Exalt's voice is capable of fabulous mimicry.
            • Mimic the sounds of insects and animals. Only needs to hear the sound once to copy it. Will "delight and amaze" audiences, and aids in survival.
            • No indication as to how, exactly? This game is seriously fuzzy around the edges for pretty much everything bar combat. And it infuriates me.
            I've had a look at MaddLetter's charm cascade for performance, and it does hang together as a whole entity, but feels really awkward as as presented in the rules. Based on how it's presented in the book, unless I have my heart sold on a particular concept, I would never consider Performance as a viable option, despite the fact that it probably works.

            Next up, the section that will boost any review in Google's page rankings... Sex!
            Last edited by Xerxes; 06-13-2016, 03:38 AM. Reason: Three-one thousand! GO AWAY STUPID SPACING PROBLEMS!


            A Not-Quite-Newb's Read-Through of Ex3 - my thoughts, notes and trials and tribulations with the Exalted 3rd edition rules.
            Ex3 Reference Materials - currently includes an ST screen, common actions sheet, weapons reference sheet, character creation summary and mortal QCs reference sheet.

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            • Sex

              Thousand Courtesan Ways
              • Essence makes every angle and motion feel more intense.
              • Raises Appearance by 1 for the scene, may attempt and succeed at seduction without targeting an intimacy, and makes normal actions have erotic overtones without needing explicit actions to do so. The seduction uses the same results as the non-erotic action.
              • Hang on, seduction requires an intimacy normally? Writing in sexual preferences as a principle kind of makes sense I guess, but it'd hardly by something I'd think about writing in for virtually any NPCs.
              • From the description, I thought this was going to be an in-act charm. Particularly when talking about "angles". Not the word I'd use to describe the initial seduction, but that might just be me.
              Celestial Bliss Trick
              • The Exalt is an Honoured Matre. Possibly using Creation's version of the Karma Sutra, but I'm not sure.
              • Exalt is awesome at lovemaking, and this automatically induces a temporary defining tie of lust in the target towards her, lasting for Essence-based weeks. It also gives Essence-based auto-successes in any social influence actions towards them for the rest of the scene.
              These two are a neat combo, and one of the few Performance charms that I could easily stitch a concept around. A fairly two-dimensional and obvious concept, but that's more than I can say for the other Performance charms.

              Now to go and have a cold shave before I set to with Presence.


              A Not-Quite-Newb's Read-Through of Ex3 - my thoughts, notes and trials and tribulations with the Exalted 3rd edition rules.
              Ex3 Reference Materials - currently includes an ST screen, common actions sheet, weapons reference sheet, character creation summary and mortal QCs reference sheet.

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              • Originally posted by Xerxes View Post
                True enough, but that does leave glaring holes that the developers and other established players just glide over.
                Looking at the amount of homebrew and discussion about system problems at this forum I would say even established players have problems with system (personally, while I like 3rd, the amount of holes there are is staggering to me, at this moment 2/3 of my character sheet is my own homebrew). We already have complete Craft system rewrite, two complete Charms rewrite, I personally have Evocations to the most of the basic artifacts in book (which aren't there) and Thrown Charms because content printed for this Ability is only about silent killing... and on the other hand, I think I still haven't seen anyone who thinks Socialize Persona Charm tree is good idea both mechanically and stylistically for Solars.
                I certainly think that 3rd edition has a big potential and I like it, but really, for me there are times when it seems like "obvious beta".


                My homebrew/rewrites:
                2nd->3rd Edition Sorcery Spells Rewrite
                Talisman of Ten Thousand Eyes Evocations
                Solar Occult Charms for Sorcerers
                Solar Thrown Charms (with Solar Danmaku Charms)

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                • Originally posted by Xerxes View Post
                  Acting

                  ONE CHARM!!??? This is really extracting the urine. I appreciate that there's the omni-applicable stuff, but Performance could have done with a lot more love.

                  Master Thespian Style
                  • The greatest actors are, apparently, fantastic at making people forget things.
                  • Solar spends 5 minutes getting into character, and gets 1 bonus guile for the rest of the scene so long as she stays in character. Failure to read intentions correctly pick up on intimacies of the character, not the Solar. If the Solar enters the scene with a dramatic stunt related to the character she's portraying, this can be done reflexively. Can be combined with Flawlessly Impenetrable Disguise.

                  A Solar actor should invest heavily in Larceny and Socialize.


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                  • Originally posted by glamourweaver View Post


                    A Solar actor should invest heavily in Larceny and Socialize.
                    Not all actors are Arsene Lupin, not even Solar ones...


                    My homebrew/rewrites:
                    2nd->3rd Edition Sorcery Spells Rewrite
                    Talisman of Ten Thousand Eyes Evocations
                    Solar Occult Charms for Sorcerers
                    Solar Thrown Charms (with Solar Danmaku Charms)

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                    • Originally posted by Daerian View Post
                      Not all actors are Arsene Lupin, not even Solar ones...
                      I just meant that's where the meaty charms for taking on different personas are.


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                      • Originally posted by Xerxes View Post
                        Now to go and have a cold shave before I set to with Presence.
                        A what? How does one even do that?

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                        • Originally posted by DrLoveMonkey View Post

                          A what? How does one even do that?
                          Put razor to fridge for few hours!


                          My homebrew/rewrites:
                          2nd->3rd Edition Sorcery Spells Rewrite
                          Talisman of Ten Thousand Eyes Evocations
                          Solar Occult Charms for Sorcerers
                          Solar Thrown Charms (with Solar Danmaku Charms)

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                          • Originally posted by glamourweaver View Post

                            I just meant that's where the meaty charms for taking on different personas are.
                            I think part of it is that a Solar might want to be an actor where people know they're lying about everything, and there's all of one Charm that specifically supports that.

                            Like, Socialize and Larceny are good for putting on different faces and attitudes... But the assumption is that you're doing it for real, so to speak. The obvious assumption with the Charms is NOT that you're going on stage to embrace a role, but that you're going out to fool the world without them suspecting. There's intersections, but it's not QUITE the same.

                            It's a bit like Archery when you're using a Firewand. Yeah, you can get a lot of use out of many of the Archery charms, but most seem to assume that it's all traditional bows, and some of the Archery charms are flat-out incompitable with your Firewand. And instead of an entire awesome Martial Art dedicated to a Firewand, you get one charm to work with your avenue.


                            Disclaimer: I'll huff, grump, and defend my position, but if you're having fun I'll never say you're doing it wrong.

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                            • Originally posted by DrLoveMonkey View Post

                              A what? How does one even do that?
                              Using cold water. It makes the hairs stand slightly more on end, meaning that the shave is a bit closer than if you use warm water.

                              [/complete tangent]

                              Re the Socialise/Presence thing, I guess that's true, the context is different. But if that's the case, would we expect to see more synergy between the charm and Flawlessly Impenetrable Disguise.
                              Last edited by Xerxes; 06-13-2016, 07:25 AM.


                              A Not-Quite-Newb's Read-Through of Ex3 - my thoughts, notes and trials and tribulations with the Exalted 3rd edition rules.
                              Ex3 Reference Materials - currently includes an ST screen, common actions sheet, weapons reference sheet, character creation summary and mortal QCs reference sheet.

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                              • Originally posted by Xerxes View Post
                                True enough, but that does leave glaring holes that the developers and other established players just glide over.
                                I'm an established player, and if anything the potholes trip me up more. Things like Counterattacks irritate the shit out of me, because I know the old version DID address this issue, so leaving it out is kind of inexcusable.

                                Anyway, as for popularity, the sales of Ex3 is not a good indication. Lots of people are buying the game to try it. What we should look at is how the next few books do. If sales for the Backer charms and the Realm book are way down, that's an indication people aren't liking what they are getting. If it's stable or increasing, then people are willing to overlook the warts in order to play Exalted.

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