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  • #31
    Originally posted by Crying View Post

    I'm afraid that I don't understand the question.
    I think he's asking whether someone with knowledge of the Shen pantheon could confirm if they thought that Erlang Shen, the deity that took on the Monkey King in a shape shifting duel to defeat him and bring him back to the Jade Emperor for judgement, was Legend 12 material.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Crying View Post

      I'm afraid that I don't understand the question.
      Sorry, i search the journey to the west a bit more. so there's a scene where guanlyn send a warrior named erlang shen against the monkey kiing son wukong. i was wondering if erlang was a god too?

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Samudra View Post

        I think he's asking whether someone with knowledge of the Shen pantheon could confirm if they thought that Erlang Shen, the deity that took on the Monkey King in a shape shifting duel to defeat him and bring him back to the Jade Emperor for judgement, was Legend 12 material.
        Yeah! sorry i wans't clear enough

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Nicolas Milioni View Post
          Yeah! sorry i wans't clear enough


          I think anybody who's capable of challenging the Monkey King to anything and coming out on top would be Legend 12.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Samudra View Post
            Oh, this could totally happen I think you could probably model that with the mortal Magic system in Origin...from what little we've seen of it, practice of Yoga could probably be modeled with that, and Yoga is generally understood to be the source of Enlightenment in Hinduism. Most non-enlightened mortals would probably not know the difference. I'm just saying that Amrita isn't the way this is likely to happen. Most of the superpowererd Sages of myth I mentioned earlier are likely mortal Yoga practitioners who impressed the gods enough to be Chosen as Scions and ascend to God tier.
            There's an interesting story that is just interesting, but also suggests a way a mortal could become god-like with yoga. Unfortunately, I have no clue where I read it.

            A demon has been standing in a yoga pose for almost a thousand years. If he makes the full thousand, he will acquire power making him more powerful than the gods (and/or Shiva will have to grant him a wish because of the rules of yoga). So the gods end up sending one of their own to distract the demon and make him leave his pose.

            So it would make sense that if a human could hold a pose for 50 years, they could get the spark of divinity, becoming a scion. Or maybe they don't have as much secret knowledge, so "all" they can do is breath fire.

            Thinking back on old Scion & how it relates to this thread. Expressing it in non-mechanical terms, a god had two requirements. They are important enough (raw power, or taking important actions) that they become able to influence Fate. And they have enough humanity to not be alien weird titan worldbodies.

            Does Tolkien count as real world religion? The Ainur as a group included gods down to lesser spirits. The gods remembered more of the divine symphony than other spirits, and that secret knowledge translated to power.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by SpoonR View Post



              Does Tolkien count as real world religion?

              He pretty much inspired the entire fantasy genre of entertainment. So who knows, maybe he's traveled the 9 realms at some point?

              Speaking of cinema, I've been told that a cult of avid fans have created an entire religion centered around The Force!

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Nyrufa View Post


                He pretty much inspired the entire fantasy genre of entertainment. So who knows, maybe he's traveled the 9 realms at some point?

                Speaking of cinema, I've been told that a cult of avid fans have created an entire religion centered around The Force!
                The force would be a Primordial i reckon

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Nicolas Milioni View Post
                  The force would be a Primordial i reckon

                  Considering it works through people, that seems like the right idea.

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                  • #39
                    Regarding Watcher's post on the Tuatha learning their powers and skills and needing recognition of their talent to considered a member. In Irish Reconstructionist mysticism one is taught that there are three cauldrons within a individual :The Cauldron of Wisdom (Brain), The Cauldron of Motion (The Stomach) and the Cauldron of Warming (The Genitals). Most people are born with each cauldron save for Motion being tipped or over-turned. The goal of the mystic is to get each cauldron in a upright position to be filled. When the Cauldron of Wisdom is filled this creates Imbas Forosnai which makes a person into a bard, magician, druid, etc. The Cauldron of Motion when filled allows a person to become a warrior, champion, or hero. The Cauldron of Warming when filled allows a person to become a seducer, queen of the land, fertility goddess, etc. The point I am making is that in order to turn any cauldron upright you require information and training. Hence Watcher's point about the Tuatha not being innately divine but rather having become so good at something that they become god-like in their specialized fields. For example the Dagda learned how to become a supernaturally proficient lover and hence became recognized as a fertility deity. Or Manannan mac Lir who is sometimes referred to as the Wizard-King learned magic and kingship to earn this title. These are just examples but one can see that every Tuatha learned how to excel in training their body, mind, or/and spirit in some way, The spirit powers magic, the body powers fertility and physical prowess, and the mind powers knowledge and skills. Irish Reconstructionist mystics seek to become akin to their deities and most would consider themselves adopted or fostered in some manner by one of the Tuatha. In order to prove they are worth fostering they seek knowledge and experience from their patron. Interestingly those who practise this system will often after a considerable amount of time display characteristics shared by their deity. I have personally met a mystic who followed Manannan who shared personality traits, interests, and behaviours. I also know the creator of the Three Cauldron system eerily resembles Brighid. Anways beginning with the Tuatha learning from teachers in the Four Cities they then teach what they learned to their children, who eventually teach some of this to favored mortals (Cuchulainn and Mongan ap Fiachna for example). The knowledge is passed on and the student becomes a specialist thus earning a title (the Many-Skilled, the Wizard-King, the Gravewalker, etc.) and hence acceptance into the the "pantheon". Not one of them is born with divine gifts and powers. They all earned godhood the hard way.

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                    • #40
                      Actually, using Zeus or Set as examples isn't really accurate. They didn't become gods, they were born as them.

                      A more befitting character would be Hercules who (as a mortal) managed to survive 12 consecutive suicide missions, in addition to struggling with severe psychological issues given to him by Hera.

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