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  • ElanConnor
    started a topic American Gods

    American Gods

    Have you seen the first episode? what do you think? have you ever read the book?

  • Kyman201
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    Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post
    Can Shadow Moon from American Gods been Scion of other god than Odin? Interesting story/theory how can Chosen Scion be created. Or maybe he is Incarnated?

    It's been yonks since I've read American Gods, but if what I remember about him is right...

    Well remember, a Scion can quite easily go "Well FUCK YOU" and turn against their Patron. In Scion Game terms, I would run this as a Scion of Odin who actively goes against him, and has Paths and Connections that mention this.

    Chief amongst them: Get a Guide or two that oppose Odin. Maybe this hypothetical Odin-hater has the Norns as a Guide, and has embraced the role of Agent and Enforcer of Wyrd to make sure that Ragnarok falls squarely down on Odin's head.

    I mean Odin kinda deserves that kind of antagonist after him. Fuck, that's actually a pretty good concept.

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  • wyrdhamster
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    Can Shadow Moon from American Gods been Scion of other god than Odin? Interesting story/theory how can Chosen Scion be created. Or maybe he is Incarnated?

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  • glamourweaver
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    Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post

    Related question on Scion 2E rules - Can Hero Scion make Marvels, based on Purviews then? Like ( possibly ) Shadow using Sky Purview from Odin in this scene?
    Odin is not involved in that Marvel except for giving Shadow directions what to do.

    Of course Hero PCs can make Marvels. That’s why there are Marvel rules in the Hero book. They just need access to the Purview in some capacity (Innate, Relic, or Guide) and to perform a Motif. That’s what Marvels are for, to pull off a creative one-off miracle within your Purviews that you don’t have a Boon for.

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  • Squee
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    Although I might add that it may be within Odin's ability to use Fortune as a Marvel and mess with the various probabilities and instances that would need to come together to create a snow storm, or to encourage Shadow to do the same with his emerging power. After all, the skies were already pretty bad. A probability nudge here and there is all it would take to make it snow, so really all Shadow was doing by continually saying and visualising 'snow' was nudging things toward what he wanted.

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  • wyrdhamster
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    Originally posted by glamourweaver View Post
    I think that was pretty clearly Shadow.
    Related question on Scion 2E rules - Can Hero Scion make Marvels, based on Purviews then? Like ( possibly ) Shadow using Sky Purview from Odin in this scene?

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  • glamourweaver
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    Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post

    He 'made' Shadow to make snow in Chicago, by making him think about snow a lot. ( Before 'bank robbery'. ) If snow was effect of Shadow actions or his believe in Wednesday - is not clear.
    I think that was pretty clearly Shadow.

    I don’t think the Zorya and Wednesday scene was in the book. IIRC we remained pretty firmly with Shadow’s pov through that period of the book.

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  • wyrdhamster
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    Originally posted by glamourweaver View Post
    When does Wednesday do anything sky related in the book?
    He 'made' Shadow to make snow in Chicago, by making him think about snow a lot. ( Before 'bank robbery'. ) If snow was effect of Shadow actions or his believe in Wednesday - is not clear.

    Wednesday also make storm in Chicago when taking oldest Zoraya on walk - but I'm not remembering this scene from book.

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  • glamourweaver
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    Originally posted by Alpharius View Post
    So that finale didn't go at all in the direction I expected (which is a good thing, means it wasn't predictable) but holy shit Wednesday's plan with Easter is high tier dickery. So I guess pretty good for Odin.
    Possible that’s part of the reported issues Gaiman was upset about.

    Best I can rationalize it with the book’s themes is that it corresponds the dependents of American agriculture on immigrant labor and how the system actually collapses when you remove said workers from the labor pool.

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  • glamourweaver
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    Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post

    glamourweaver, you create American Gods setting hack for Scion, right?
    I’m working on a setting Shard that’s a homage to American Gods. It isn’t a straight adaptation of the exact setting. But it’s lower “mythic” level than the World, where all Scions are Incarnate (there are no higher divinities), and there’s a “modernism” pantheon at odds with the old gods.

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  • Maitrecorbo
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    Well Odin has the deception purview and i once heard someone say that you could replicate any purview with a deception marvel provided you are persuasive enough. Can't recall who said that tho :P

    Alternatively, you could have an attacking marvel with the fortune purview appearing as lightning falling on your enemies.

    My point is, while sky is the most direct weather purview, its not impossible to manipulate the weather through other means.

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  • glamourweaver
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    When does Wednesday do anything sky related in the book?

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  • Kyman201
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    Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post
    And if we are at the Odin in the series - He has new Purview in book/TV series, beside those pointed in Scion: Hero - in American Gods he clearly has Sky Purview, as he also is portrayed as God of Weather. ( Even than Sky Boons not work with the powers he shows in series, like calling storms, wind and snow. )
    Lemmie tell you about a thing called 'Artistic Liberty'.

    A bit more seriously, from my admittedly limited knowledge of Odin and the Eddas, I can't think of an instance where Odin demonstrates any kind of special innate power pertaining to the sky and weather. And citing American Gods as a reason for that is like trying to take your advice of the Devi Kali from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.

    (Spoiler: Don't do that.)

    Also also, conjuring a storm with the Sky Purview could be done with a special Boon if you want to do it regularly (as the game in no way claims that its list of Boons is exhaustive, thus giving players special permission to make their own Boons as needed), or if you do it occasionally that would be an Upheaval Marvel through use of the Sky Purview.
    Last edited by Kyman201; 01-24-2019, 08:13 PM.

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  • wyrdhamster
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    Dwelling deeper in my season 1 rewatch - I think right that Shadow Moon becomes de facto Chosen Scion of Odin, by his 'friendship' with him, yes?

    And if we are at the Odin in the series - He has new Purview in book/TV series, beside those pointed in Scion: Hero - in American Gods he clearly has Sky Purview, as he also is portrayed as God of Weather. ( Even than Sky Boons not work with the powers he shows in series, like calling storms, wind and snow. )

    And, generally, in plot is greatly show his Deception Purview, as he is ( in part ) trickster god.

    glamourweaver, you create American Gods setting hack for Scion, right?

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  • wyrdhamster
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    And on general idea of TV series translation to Scion 2E - All of portrayed Gods seems to be Incarnations, not Scions, of themselves. I.E. They connect to Mantle and so have general memories and abilities of their mythological 'source Gods'.

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