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**~NKF~** · 06-19-2017, 06:55 PM

Not sure if your looking for any additions, but sense they can be tricky to research online, if you want to expand the Cherokee a bit you can add Sutalidihi (the sun), Geyaguga (the moon), Kana'ti (the lucky hunter) and Selu (corn).

**Wannabe Demon Lord** · 06-19-2017, 08:58 PM

Thanks for the Cherokee suggestions!
Made some edits. Expanded the Hittite, Korean, Iroquios and Cherokee pantheons and made heavy revisions to the Polynesian, with Samoan and Bellona Island pantheons now split out. Separated the Navajo from the Pueblo/Hopi, since they really deserve to be there own pantheon and I'd always intended for them to be, I only just found the proper info to make them so. Added the Vietnamese, Bunyoro, Navajo, Malagasy, Choctaw, Tupari, Muscogee, Ainu, and Nyanga pantheons.

There's a couple more pantheons I'd like to add, but I can't find enough info for. The Haida most notably, and anything from South America, such as the Chilote. I'm also aware that the Siberian and Aboriginal "pantheons" really should be several pantheons each, but I'm not really sure where to begin in terms of determining how to divide them up. So if anyone has advice in terms of any of that I'm all ears.

And yes, I'd love suggestions, either for new pantheons or new additions to existing pantheons. My only request is that if you do suggest a new pantheon, I'd like a source, preferably a reliable one, provided for it. Pretty much anything I haven't covered yet is bound to be pretty obscure, except for the Buddhist which I'll get to eventually. I'm also going to add a non-Wabanaki specific Algonquian pantheon, but I'd like to see the official write-up for it first.

**Watcher** · 06-19-2017, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by Wannabe Demon Lord View Post

There's a couple more pantheons I'd like to add, but I can't find enough info for. The Haida most notably, and anything from South America, such as the Chilote. I'm also aware that the Siberian and Aboriginal "pantheons" really should be several pantheons each, but I'm not really sure where to begin in terms of determining how to divide them up. So if anyone has advice in terms of any of that I'm all ears.

I have an entire Pantheon list for the Sgā’na Qeda’s, the Haida Pantheon. Just worked on it today, they should be capable of being represented in Scion without any changes or anything, they should be good at the end!

The figure that frequently gets simply called Raven is normally named Xhuuya, NAñkî’lsLas, Wī’gît, The One Of Whom We Speak, and others. Xhuuya is a good 'core' name for him, the extra names are a reflection of Haida culture having a slightly different naming system than you might encounter in some other cultures.

Ta’ñgwan lā’na is the name of the preeminent being of the tsaran xàaydaraay, the Sea-People. Sraana guud hiilng7waas is the preeminent being of the Hlk’yaans xàaydaraay, the Forest-People. There are an abundant numbers of beings who fit here, something like Lesser Gods, but there are a whole host of other figures substantial enough to be Major Gods or Titans. Skîl djā’ada-i, Property-Woman, brings wealth, both material and otherwise to people who manage to interact with her somehow. Watghadagaang is a master carver, the master carver, capable of amazing feats of carpentry as well as fighting the Southeast Wind, Xe-ū to force the weather to be more stable. Sea-Foam-Woman (I can't, for the life of me, find a traditional spelling of her name) is the ancestress of the raven family, where Djila’qons is the ancestress of the eagle family. Qō’yagiagA’ndal holds up Haida Gwaii beneath the sea after intense strength training.

And then there are a host of other possibilities for Titans, and whatnot. They are a very interesting, and totally viable Pantheon. I look forward to getting them all set up for Scion 2e!

If you are looking for advice on ow to break things up, I would do it based on the cultures themselves. Does group X feel that they are different religiously from group Y? Then break their Pantheons up, even if they are very similar to each other. It's how I try to be as respectful as possible to the various cultures I look at for Scion.

Oh, and for the sources for the Haida. A good core is to check out Contributions to the Ethnology of the Haida by J. R. Swanton. An early ethnographic work on the Haida, really quite well done honestly. For more recent works, A Story As Sharp As A Knife: The Classical Haida Mythtellers And Their World by Robert Bringhurst, and Nine Visits to the Mythworld which is a collection of works by Ghandl of the Qayahl Llaanas.

**Center-of-All** · 06-19-2017, 09:42 PM

As for Nanabozo, I'd be extremely surprised if he wasn't a core member of the Manitou in 2e Hero. He slots quite easily into an Anishinaabe pantheon.

**Wannabe Demon Lord** · 06-19-2017, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by Watcher View Post

I have an entire Pantheon list for the Sgā’na Qeda’s, the Haida Pantheon. Just worked on it today, they should be capable of being represented in Scion without any changes or anything, they should be good at the end!

The figure that frequently gets simply called Raven is normally named Xhuuya, NAñkî’lsLas, Wī’gît, The One Of Whom We Speak, and others. Xhuuya is a good 'core' name for him, the extra names are a reflection of Haida culture having a slightly different naming system than you might encounter in some other cultures.

Ta’ñgwan lā’na is the name of the preeminent being of the tsaran xàaydaraay, the Sea-People. Sraana guud hiilng7waas is the preeminent being of the Hlk’yaans xàaydaraay, the Forest-People. There are an abundant numbers of beings who fit here, something like Lesser Gods, but there are a whole host of other figures substantial enough to be Major Gods or Titans. Skîl djā’ada-i, Property-Woman, brings wealth, both material and otherwise to people who manage to interact with her somehow. Watghadagaang is a master carver, the master carver, capable of amazing feats of carpentry as well as fighting the Southeast Wind, Xe-ū to force the weather to be more stable. Sea-Foam-Woman (I can't, for the life of me, find a traditional spelling of her name) is the ancestress of the raven family, where Djila’qons is the ancestress of the eagle family. Qō’yagiagA’ndal holds up Haida Gwaii beneath the sea after intense strength training.

And then there are a host of other possibilities for Titans, and whatnot. They are a very interesting, and totally viable Pantheon. I look forward to getting them all set up for Scion 2e!

If you are looking for advice on ow to break things up, I would do it based on the cultures themselves. Does group X feel that they are different religiously from group Y? Then break their Pantheons up, even if they are very similar to each other. It's how I try to be as respectful as possible to the various cultures I look at for Scion.

Oh, and for the sources for the Haida. A good core is to check out Contributions to the Ethnology of the Haida by J. R. Swanton. An early ethnographic work on the Haida, really quite well done honestly. For more recent works, A Story As Sharp As A Knife: The Classical Haida Mythtellers And Their World by Robert Bringhurst, and Nine Visits to the Mythworld which is a collection of works by Ghandl of the Qayahl Llaanas.

Thanks so much for the advice with the Haida, and I look forward to seeing your write-up for them!

Watcher, it seems like there are quite a few lesser-known pantheons you're planning on writing up and have researched heavily, like this and the Abosom. If you don't mind me asking, what are all the pantheons you've selected? I'm pretty curious and I look forward to seeing them.

I'll look into the Anishinaabe pantheon as well.

**Watcher** · 06-19-2017, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by Wannabe Demon Lord View Post

Thanks so much for the advice with the Haida, and I look forward to seeing your write-up for them!

Watcher, it seems like there are quite a few lesser-known pantheons you're planning on writing up and have researched heavily, like this and the Abosom. If you don't mind me asking, what are all the pantheons you've selected? I'm pretty curious and I look forward to seeing them.

I'll look into the Anishinaabe pantheon as well.

At the moment, I have done work on the Hittites, the Ashanti, the Haida, and Sacerdos is playing with the Manchu. All four of them should be a lot of fun for all of you hopefully! We are intentionally trying to expand in regions or topics that Scion has traditionally not touched on. The Hittites are possibly the most 'antagonistic to humanity' Pantheon and thus should present fun stories for their Scions trying to mediate the relationship. (Not counting the Irish since, while they don't like their mortals, the Irish can't really do anything about it, while the Hittites frequently bring humanity to the brink of extinction) The Ashanti have a Supreme God, and have a pretty much benevolent cosmology which would give Storytellers unique ways to explore stories. The Haida are a Pantheon that has a very distant semi-Supreme God, as well as having an interesting reciprocal relationship between divine and mortal which should present fun storytelling opportunities. The Manchu, well, they're not my expertise, but they are almost all Goddesses, I think there was only one God in the Major Deities list.

I am glad you are looking forward to seeing them as well! I really look forward to giving them to you all, I hope they will be enjoyed by people. They have, in the very least, given me a method to better my knowledge of non-European religions which has been a joy for me.

**Wannabe Demon Lord** · 06-20-2017, 10:37 AM

That's really awesome Watcher! I'm really looking forward to seeing them. I think they'll provide something unique to the game. I don't know anything about the Manchu pantheon.

I added a small, tentative Manitou based on a few deities I found on the Native Languages website. I'll revise it heavily when the preview comes out, but at least I have Chibiabos now.

**Center-of-All** · 06-20-2017, 02:14 PM

Nanabozo and Cheeby-aub-oozoo have two older brothers, Maudjee-kawiss and Pukawiss. There's also their father Ae-pungishimook (and perhaps their mother Winonah, though I'm uncertain as to whether she'd count), the sky woman Geezhigo-quae, and the earth woman Muzzu-kummik-quae.

**Wannabe Demon Lord** · 06-20-2017, 03:22 PM

Thanks Center-of-All! That's really helpful!

Okay, I've got another one: Who are the most important of the Palas/Buddhist pantheon? I've kind of got the opposite problem here. Googling them gives me huge lists and I'm struggling to determine who the important ones who would be worthy of inclusion would be. Preferably ones that would be considered gods or at least titans by Scion's definitions, there seems to be a lot of overdeities and varying power levels and I'm not really looking for primordials at the moment.

Edit: Added the Balinese and updated the Manitou with Center-of-All's suggestions, as well as the Inuit.
Should I be focusing on the Bodhisattvas for the Buddhists?
Also, can anyone think of any more pantheons they'd like to see me add?

Edit again:
Added a seperate Germanic pantheon, the Guanche, the Mbuti, the Muisca, the Tupari, and the Visayan.

**Sacerdos** · 06-21-2017, 02:24 AM

Originally posted by Wannabe Demon Lord View Post

Thanks Center-of-All! That's really helpful!

Okay, I've got another one: Who are the most important of the Palas/Buddhist pantheon? I've kind of got the opposite problem here. Googling them gives me huge lists and I'm struggling to determine who the important ones who would be worthy of inclusion would be. Preferably ones that would be considered gods or at least titans by Scion's definitions, there seems to be a lot of overdeities and varying power levels and I'm not really looking for primordials at the moment.

Edit: Added the Balinese and updated the Manitou with Center-of-All's suggestions, as well as the Inuit.
Should I be focusing on the Bodhisattvas for the Buddhists?
Also, can anyone think of any more pantheons they'd like to see me add?

Edit again:
Added a seperate Germanic pantheon, the Guanche, the Mbuti, the Muisca, the Tupari, and the Visayan.

I outlined possibilities for a Buddhist pantheon here: http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/m...78#post1097978
To summarise (and adding some for the sake of your list), candidates would be the Primordials/Buddhas Shakyamuni, Amitabha, and Vairochana, the Major Gods/Bodhisattvas Avalokiteshvara, Kshitigarbha, Manjushri, Samantabadhra, Tara, and Maitreya, furthermore figures like the Vidyarajas/Wisdom Kings (Achala, Trailokyavijaya, Kundali, Vajrabhairava, Vajrayaksha), the Lokapalas/Heavenly Kings/Directional Guardians (Vaishravana, Virudhaka, Dhritarashtra, Virupaksha), the important Devas (e.g. Shakra, Brahma, Yama), and the Arhats/Students of the Buddha. All are opposed by the Titan Mara. There are of course many more Buddhas and Bodhisattvas, but I tried to limit it to the most important/popular ones here.

**Wannabe Demon Lord** · 06-21-2017, 05:30 AM

Very helpful Sacerdos!

Well, at this point there really isn't much left in terms of accessible pantheons I haven't covered that I can think of. There's still the Manchu, which I suppose I'll add after Sacerdos covers them.

Are there any gods anyone would like to see added to any pantheons? Major ones I've omitted or minor ones that are particularly interesting in some way?

**Samudra** · 06-21-2017, 06:12 AM

I'd love to see Yama's siblings playable someday... Surya does have other children, including Yamuna (also known as the Vedic Yami) and Tapti, Goddesses of the rivers of those names, as well as Shani, sometimes identified as Kala, God of Judgement and Misfortune and the Planet Saturn, whose job it is to judge people in life as Yama judges them in Death. In addition, Shiva and Parvati have a couple of daughters that no one ever mentions... Ashoksundari, whose name literally means "She whose beauty destroys sorrow" was created by Parvati as a companion and is a goddess of Joy usually only worshiped in the western parts of India. She is often considered a loving wife and daughter, and is married to the mortal king Nahusha whose piety was so great he was once chosen to replace Indra... that didn't last long. Shiva's other daughter is Manasa, Goddess of Snakes and Venom, who is primarily worshiped in the eastern parts of India. She's most famous for murdering people until they acknowledge her divinity. There's also Kubera, the God of Wealth, but I believe that he's another Mantle of Vaisravana so you may want to keep him in the Palas as suggested by Sacredos where he seems significantly more important.

You might also like some of the more obscure but nonetheless interesting Vedic era Gods: Pushan, God of Journeys and Travel, as well as in some hymns Sleight of Hand, and Aranyani, Goddess of Forests. There's also Aditi ("The Unbounded One") Goddess of the Infinite Sky, who is sometimes identified also one with Earth and Heaven (Dyavaprithvi) and is the mother of Indra and Varuna, amongst others. At least one Vedic Hymn extols her as the Supreme Divinity thusly "Aditi is Heaven, Aditi is Space, Aditi is the Mother, the Father and the Child... Aditi is verily all the Universal Gods, as well as the five classes of Being. All that have Been are Aditi, all that will Be, are Aditi." There's also Vak, the Goddess of Speech, who gets absorbed into Sarasvati later, who also has a "I am the Supreme Divinity speech. Indra's wife Shachi (better known as Indrani) is another inetersting choice because I've never heard of another Goddess of Jealousy before.

Finally, my personal favourite of the minor but really interesting Deva is Santoshi, the Goddess of Satisfaction, a daughter of Ganesh. What makes her particularly ineteresting is that Santoshi was more or less made up and brought into the public consciousness by a movie... unlike other Deva who are born of oral stories or written scripture, she's born of celluloid

Edit: Oh, also Varuni, Goddess of Booze... you can never have enough of those around and I'm sure Dionysus would appreciate the company.

**Wannabe Demon Lord** · 06-21-2017, 08:06 AM

Those suggestions sound really interesting Samudra. Thanks a lot! It's good to have the Devas better represented since they are such a large pantheon.

I think I want to stop at 1500 gods, of which there are 1435 currently, leaving open 65 slots unless I made a mistake and have an undesired double up. I'm not adding any more pantheons at this point, except for the Manchu, I have over 80 and I think that's enough. Still, if anyone has any further suggestions, I'm all ears.

**Sacerdos** · 06-21-2017, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by Wannabe Demon Lord View Post

Very helpful Sacerdos!

Well, at this point there really isn't much left in terms of accessible pantheons I haven't covered that I can think of. There's still the Manchu, which I suppose I'll add after Sacerdos covers them.

Are there any gods anyone would like to see added to any pantheons? Major ones I've omitted or minor ones that are particularly interesting in some way?

The Manchu will still take some time - sources on them are scarce in general, and especially scarce in Western languages (most is in Russian and Chinese, neither of which I speak); their religion is difficult, highly localised, and wildly different between the common populace and the shamanic elite. I have a rough outline of a very small pantheon for them right now, I could surely give you the names if nothing else, but that could all still change as I go on reading, and hopefully figure them out somewhat more clearly.

But if it's useful to you, a WIP-list of the Major Gods:
Abka Hehe / Abka Enduri: "Sky Woman", the creator goddess and embodiment of heaven, who, under the latter name, takes on a male form in peaceful times
Banamu Hehe: narcoleptic goddess of the earth, a sister Abka Hehe created for herself
Ulden Hehe: goddess of light, stars, and the sun, a sister Abka Hehe created for herself
Tumu: Goddess of the Fire in the Stones
Omosi Mama: goddess who creates souls, goddess of fertility, patron of shamans, lives in the underworld
Ilmun Khan: ruler of the underworld, form of Yama (not sure if really major)
Golmin Sangiyan Alin: god of the Chang-baishan Mountains, leader of all the gods of natural features (not sure if really major)

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