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  • #16
    Originally posted by Omegaphallic View Post
    Okay Duat sounds horrible, given other Pantheons have better afterlives, less judgemental after lives, why would anyone choose to worship the Netjer over say the Irish Pantheon, especially if they haven't lived the life of a saint?

    Given they are competing for worshippers, you'd think they'd make it easier to get into paradise.
    Not everyone worships the gods for the sake of their afterlife. Sometimes - quite a lot of times, in fact - it's about what the gods can do for them in their mortal life.


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    • #17
      Don't see what's so bad about Duat? A'aru sounds like your typical idyllic paradise for the worthy. Not everyone proves worthy, of course, but that's true of all the ancient religions. It certainly doesn't sound any worse than "Be superhuman or languish for eternity as a nameless zombie" (Greek,) or "Die in glorious combat or be condemned to the cruelties of Hel's hall" (Norse,) or "Sacrifice yourself or be condemned to another meaningless eternity" (Aztec.)


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      • #18
        Originally posted by Omegaphallic View Post
        Okay Duat sounds horrible, given other Pantheons have better afterlives, less judgemental after lives, why would anyone choose to worship the Netjer over say the Irish Pantheon, especially if they haven't lived the life of a saint?

        Given they are competing for worshippers, you'd think they'd make it easier to get into paradise.
        That's not how most ancient worship works. Winning worship by promising better afterlives was a small mystery cult thing until Christianity took it mainstream.


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        • #19
          Originally posted by unnatural1 View Post
          Don't see what's so bad about Duat? A'aru sounds like your typical idyllic paradise for the worthy. Not everyone proves worthy, of course, but that's true of all the ancient religions. It certainly doesn't sound any worse than "Be superhuman or languish for eternity as a nameless zombie" (Greek,) or "Die in glorious combat or be condemned to the cruelties of Hel's hall" (Norse,) or "Sacrifice yourself or be condemned to another meaningless eternity" (Aztec.)
          In regards to the Norse, I've actually read from some sources that while Hel primarily punished the unworthy dead there was another aspect of her duties that including "Supplying the dead with lodgings and belongings". It seems that, while Nefilhem was not a fun place and Hel was not a particularly nice lady, most people that didn't die a glorious death fell into more, servant roles with the torment being reserved for things like kinslayers.

          Granted I am not sure of how accurate that source is and it's been awhile since I've read it.

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          • #20
            I will admit that Bast/Bastet being divided into seperate gods rather than a mantle is off putting to me, mostly because bastet was made into a seperate unlisted god and one of my players was thinking of a bastet scion

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Omegaphallic View Post
              Okay Duat sounds horrible, given other Pantheons have better afterlives, less judgemental after lives, why would anyone choose to worship the Netjer over say the Irish Pantheon, especially if they haven't lived the life of a saint?
              Hey, at least with the Nejter, Anpu/Anubis will escort you to the scales. Like, yeah, Duat's dangerous, but the Nejter give enough of a fuck to tell a major god "Keep the souls safe until they're judged".

              Like, don't the Theoi basically just say "YOU get there. Have some money for the ferryman"?


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              • #22
                Originally posted by Omegaphallic View Post
                Okay Duat sounds horrible, given other Pantheons have better afterlives, less judgemental after lives, why would anyone choose to worship the Netjer over say the Irish Pantheon, especially if they haven't lived the life of a saint?

                Given they are competing for worshippers, you'd think they'd make it easier to get into paradise.
                It's not like you get a brochure telling you about the afterlife benefits of each religion. You get stories, stories that joe schmoe the kemeticist isn't necessarily able to prove or disprove. He might have been born into it or converted for other reasons anyway.

                Most people haven't lived the lives of saints, but that doesn't mean that they opportunistically seek out another faith to escape some kind of perdition or unpleasantness. One might even hazard a guess that sort of thing probably doesn't work. :P It's not really how faith works in real life anyway, and despite the weirdness of the World, it doesn't sound like people vacation in Duat to tell one another that there's better real estate in other afterlives. Maybe your character does that, to be clear, but people don't.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Darkfoxdev View Post
                  I will admit that Bast/Bastet being divided into seperate gods rather than a mantle is off putting to me, mostly because bastet was made into a seperate unlisted god and one of my players was thinking of a bastet scion
                  Based on the write up I think that you could mechanically represent Bastet with Bast's callings and purviews. They are different godesses, but close enough for confusion to happen. From what we've been told you inherit one calling and one purview from your parent so in most cases it would work, I think, kinda, maybe?

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                  • #24
                    Could someone please explain to me what the distinction between Bast and Bastet is in the original myth? I was almost certain that they were completely interchangeable names for exactly the same goddess, and I'm admittedly a splitter rather than a lumper when it comes to mythological beings. Sekhmet I totally understand the distinction for, though.

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                    • #25
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                      • #26
                        The writeup says that The Netjer and the Teotl get along well enough.

                        ​However? There is one.......possible......major conflict between them. Tlaloc and Sobek. Two crocodilian river gods from pyramid-building cultures. One likes to protect children. The other likes to have children beaten until they cry and then fed to him.

                        ​Does anyone else foresee a kaiju battle when these two meet?


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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Wannabe Demon Lord View Post
                          Could someone please explain to me what the distinction between Bast and Bastet is in the original myth? I was almost certain that they were completely interchangeable names for exactly the same goddess, and I'm admittedly a splitter rather than a lumper when it comes to mythological beings. Sekhmet I totally understand the distinction for, though.
                          Bast and Sekhmet are pretty much indistinguishable.

                          Bastet is a nicer kitty goddess.


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                          • #28
                            I always liked Gaiman's take on the whole heart weighed against feather bit, although I have no idea how mythologically accurate it was.
                            "More [people got into heaven] than you'd think; it was a very heavy feather. We had it specially made."

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                            • #29
                              Im still not a fan of not using the common names for the Netjer aka Anpu instead of Anubis. It just seems like a poor decision in terms of clarity when the majority of people aren't familiar with these obscure monikers. It feels kinda condescending to me like someone is saying "oh you would understand it if you had minored in north african comparative literature like I did"

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by SpruceStripedGoose View Post
                                Im still not a fan of not using the common names for the Netjer aka Anpu instead of Anubis. It just seems like a poor decision in terms of clarity when the majority of people aren't familiar with these obscure monikers. It feels kinda condescending to me like someone is saying "oh you would understand it if you had minored in north african comparative literature like I did"
                                It's a good thing to spread around their real names, and get more people familiar with them. It's also probably respectful to the culture and the active members of the religion to use the real names. Or at least, as close to the real names as we can get without knowing the exact pronunciation. It's fun, and educational!

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