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    We have Ragnarok and we have the end of the restart of the cycles of creation from Hindu sources.

    What other world endings do we have from other mythologies?

  • #2
    Hindus speak of a time of upheaval called "Kali Yuga."

    Heck, according to some, we're in that time RIGHT NOW.


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    • #3
      The Aztecs believe the world would end once the sacrifices to the gods stop. I guess we can consider this a end of world situation.

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      • #4
        Should be stressed that including in the version of Ragnarok we have, these “ends” are cyclical. A new world will be born and the cycle begins again.

        Abrahamic religions’ image of true finality are something of an outlier in this regard.


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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mateus Luz View Post
          The Aztecs believe the world would end once the sacrifices to the gods stop. I guess we can consider this a end of world situation.
          For Aztecs these ends were cyclical things as well, if my memory serves me right were the fifth people so the world has already ended 4 times and people remade from bones or ashes of those before. I seem to remember 5th people were created from the bones of our predecessors but could be misremembering.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by unnatural1 View Post
            Hindus speak of a time of upheaval called "Kali Yuga."

            Heck, according to some, we're in that time RIGHT NOW.
            We are in a Kali Yuga... for, you see, there are multiple nested Endings actually!

            There is a continuous cycle through the Four Ages... the Satya Yuga which lasts 1.728 million years, the Treta Yuga that lasts 1.296 million years, the Dvapara Yuga that lasts 864,000 years, and the Kali Yuga (written and pronounced differently to the Goddess Kali) which lasts for 432,000 years. These ages see the gradual deterioration of Humanity from noble righteous beings to wicked sinful ones, and ends with the destruction of the Earth and the rebirth of the human race.

            71 of these Cycles make up a Manvantara, or the period of rule by a single Manu, or Ancestor/Ruler of Mankind. This period lasts for 306.72 million years. At the end of a Manvantara (which by necessity coincides with the end of a Cycle of Yugas) ends with the Destruction of Heaven and Hell and all the Realms in between, with the death of Indra and his court, with a new Indra being appointed at the beginning of the next Manvantara.

            14 Manvantaras, along with 15 intervening periods of rest (known as Sandhyas) of 1.728 million years together make up a Kalpa, a single Day in the Life of Brahma, a period of 4.32 billion years. At the end of a Kalpa the Realms Higher than Heaven (Mahar, Jnana and Tapa Lokas) are also destroyed and the Trimurti and Tridevi alone exist. Brahma's Night lasts for an equal amount of time, meaning a single Day-Night Cycle for Brahma lasts for 8.64 billion years.

            A year of Brahma is 360 of his Days-Night Cycles... Brahma will live for a hundred years. The Lifetime of Brahma, known also sometimes as a Para, is therefore 311.04 trillion years. At the end of this Lifetime, Brahma 'dies' and nothing exists, as Time itself no longer exists without the Great Grand Sire. It is not known what happens in the intervening spaces, but Brahma always arises again, for he is an Eternal part of the Godhead, and all this begins again.

            So, to make your statement more specific... we are currently in the 51st year of the current Lifetime of Brahma, on the 1st Day (Kalpa) of this Year, in the 7th Manvantara of this Kalpa. in the 28th Yuga Cycle of this Manvantara, and in the Kali Yuga of this Cycle. This Kali Yuga started in the year 3102 BC, so we are in the 5121st Year of the Kali Yuga.
            Last edited by Samudra; 05-21-2019, 03:29 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Samudra View Post

              We are in a Kali Yuga... for, you see, there are multiple nested Endings actually!

              There is a continuous cycle through the Four Ages... the Satya Yuga which lasts 1.728 million years, the Treta Yuga that lasts 1.296 million years, the Dvapara Yuga that lasts 864,000 years, and the Kali Yuga (written and pronounced differently to the Goddess Kali) which lasts for 432,000 years. These ages see the gradual deterioration of Humanity from noble righteous beings to wicked sinful ones, and ends with the destruction of the Earth and the rebirth of the human race.

              71 of these Cycles make up a Manvantara, or the period of rule by a single Manu, or Ancestor/Ruler of Mankind. This period lasts for 306.72 million years. At the end of a Manvantara (which by necessity coincides with the end of a Cycle of Yugas) ends with the Destruction of Heaven and Hell and all the Realms in between, with the death of Indra and his court, with a new Indra being appointed at the beginning of the next Manvantara.

              14 Manvantaras, along with 15 intervening periods of rest (known as Sandhyas) of 1.728 million years together make up a Kalpa, a single Day in the Life of Brahma, a period of 4.32 billion years. At the end of a Kalpa the Realms Higher than Heaven (Mahar, Jnana and Tapa Lokas) are also destroyed and the Trimurti and Tridevi alone exist. Brahma's Night lasts for an equal amount of time, meaning a single Day-Night Cycle for Brahma lasts for 8.64 billion years.

              A year of Brahma is 360 of his Days-Night Cycles... Brahma will live for a hundred years. The Lifetime of Brahma, known also sometimes as a Para, is therefore 311.04 trillion years. At the end of this Lifetime, Brahma 'dies' and nothing exists, as Time itself no longer exists without the Great Grand Sire. It is not known what happens in the intervening spaces, but Brahma always arises again, for he is an Eternal part of the Godhead, and all this begins again.

              So, to make your statement more specific... we are currently in the 51st year of the current Lifetime of Brahma, on the 1st Day (Kalpa) of this Year, in the 7th Manvantara of this Kalpa. in the 28th Yuga Cycle of this Manvantara, and in the Kali Yuga of this Cycle. This Kali Yuga started in the year 3102 BC, so we are in the 5121st Year of the Kali Yuga.
              This is why I love this forum. You get to learn more in one post than in a whole semester of school.

              ............Wait? Humanity is going to continue degenerating for 432,000 years? And we're only in year 5121? What the HELL will we be like after another 426,879 years if we're already THIS bad?


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              • #8
                Originally posted by glamourweaver View Post
                Should be stressed that including in the version of Ragnarok we have, these “ends” are cyclical. A new world will be born and the cycle begins again.

                Abrahamic religions’ image of true finality are something of an outlier in this regard.
                That’s a important point on Ragnarok, the world don’t end, the tree is not killed, it burns, but revives.

                Another interesting thing is Thor is the father of the 2 men that survive the ragnarok, so Thor is the father of the post-ragnarok humanity. There are gods (sorry can’t remember which) that survive and help the new humanity to build the world again, but the men are descendent form Thor.
                Last edited by Mateus Luz; 05-21-2019, 11:23 PM.

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                • #9
                  I thought the Aztec worlds was less cyclical and more series of mistakes and mishaps that they keep correcting and rebuilding after.

                  Shows what I know.

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                  • #10
                    The Greeks and Celts don't specifically have end of the world scenarios, but both kind of at least imply that the current race of humans are not the first, and indeed could be replaced by a later one if time goes on. The Celts have the Book of Invasions, wherein the Melesians (humans) invaded and took over Ireland from the Tuatha de Danannan, who in turn took over from the Fir Bolg. Meanwhile the Greeks outline the Gold, Silver, Bronze, and the current Iron Age of humanity (Along with the possible delineation between the Heroic age and the modern age). Similarly there's a bit of an implied succession of usurping kings of the Gods, first with Oranos being castrated by Cronus, than Cronus being chopped into pieces by Zeus, and Zeus being prophesied to be overthrown by one of his sons (which is part of why he devoured Metis, which in turn led to Athena being born from his head) So yeah, given the nature of fate that seems kind of inevitable.

                    Additionally, Egyptian mythology details at least a possible end of the world, if not one that is fated to be. If Apep should ever manage to devour Ra, that would surely mean the extinction of humanity. The egyptians don't outline that it will happen, but they certainly weren't 100% confident that it never will (kind of similar to how the Aztecs believed that the world will end if they stopped making sacrifices.)

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                    • #11
                      These are the end of Time stories I have collected.I used these interpretations to build a campaign for a group, where the end of days is erupting for all of the active pantheons in the story.

                      Aesir – Ragnorok, the freeing of the Titans, Titan of Fire destroys New York
                      Before the end of the world, three winters without summers in between will happen in Midgard, and order will be lost in the human world. Fathers will fight their sons, siblings will commit incest, mothers will seduce their children, and brothers will tear at each other's hearts. Midgard will be consumed with war.

                      The wolves Skoll and Hati will swallow the sun and moon, and the great wolf Fenris, son of Loki the trickster god, will run loose and kill Odin the All-Father, who steps forth to fight him. Odin's son Vidar will avenge Odin by tearing Fenris apart. Thor will battle the Midgard serpent and slay him but be slain himself by the serpent's venomous fumes. Many gods as well as all men and women save two, Lif and Lifthrasir, who seek shelter under the branches of Yggdrasil, will die. The sky will fall into a pit of flames and the earth will sink into the sea.

                      After the end of the world, the earth will rise renewed out of the sea and flourish. Grain will grow where no grain was sown; Lif and Lifthrasir will repeople the new world with their offspring and descendants. Odin's sons as well as his brothers Vili and Vé will reconvene with the other surviving gods on the plain of Ida, where Asgard used to be, and hold council. They will reign over the new world as the ruling gods. So the earth was begun, and so it shall end.

                      Dedodekton – Titans freed Kronos kills all of the Gods and resets the world in Chaos.
                      Ancient Greek mythology claimed that Zeus, as he had previously overthrown his father, Cronus, would in turn also be overthrown by a son. This story can be seen as the equivalent to the end of the world, or the end of an age. Prometheus revealed to him that this son would be born from Zeus and Thetis (Granddaughter of Titan Tethis), if they copulated. In order to prevent this from happening, Zeus married Thetis to Peleus, a mortal hero. This union produced Achilles, the protagonist of the Iliad and one of the greatest heroes of Greek myth.

                      This gets to be a torrid seduction by Tethis in a shape changed disguise (role reversal opportunity here). Hera becomes suspicious of Zeus - again - the seeming routine thwarting of one of Zeus' infidelities, becomes a bigger tail of apocalyptic reproduction.

                      Egyptians
                      The Egyptians believed in the afterlife and the continuation of mankind forever. They did not provide for a definitive end of the world in their mythology. Rather, the Egyptians once considered the end of the world and its subsequent prevention.

                      Ra sent out his eye in the form of the goddess Hathor to destroy those who would not worship and believe in his good name. Although he only meant to destroy the evil in mankind, Hathor slaughtered many and was said to "wade in blood." In order to prevent her from destroying the entirety of mankind, Ra tempts her with a flood of barely beer dyed red to resemble blood. She becomes drunk and forgets her thirst for man's blood, saving the world from her deadly rampage.

                      What if Aten uses the icon of Ra to trigger the Bloody fury of Hathor again, beginning a new rampage of bloody decimation...

                      Aztec
                      The Aztecs had an extremely complex calendar system based on the stars. They used this calendar not only to create holy days and times, but also to determine the course of human life on earth. The Aztecs believed in the Legend of the Five Suns, the times of which coincide with periods in their history. Each sun is a period of time wherein there is peace and life. Once a sun dies, however, the world is absorbed in chaos as the gods destroy the world and renew it. There are only five suns, and we are presently on the fifth. The first sun was the Sun of Precious Stones, destroyed by Tezcatlipoca in its entirety with jaguars. The second sun was the Sun of Darkness, where life was destroyed by a large hurricane sent by Quetzalcoatl. The third sun was the Sun of Fire. Life was destroyed by a rain of fire created by Tezcatlipoca. The fourth sun was the Sun of Water, destroyed by a large flood of Tlaloc. The final sun that now exists is the Sun of Movement, Tonatiuh the Rising Eagle, destined to end in 52 years by a large earthquake that will tear the earth apart. (Every 52 years the gods must stop the Earth quake that will end the world. LEts say the atomic detonation at Hiroshima was the end of the 4th Sun…In Greece the earthquake might actually shake the world apart, unless prevented or vented.)

                      These are the end of days scenarios I have used.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Gideon View Post
                        Dedodekton – Titans freed Kronos kills all of the Gods and resets the world in Chaos.
                        Ancient Greek mythology claimed that Zeus, as he had previously overthrown his father, Cronus, would in turn also be overthrown by a son. This story can be seen as the equivalent to the end of the world, or the end of an age. Prometheus revealed to him that this son would be born from Zeus and Thetis (Granddaughter of Titan Tethis), if they copulated. In order to prevent this from happening, Zeus married Thetis to Peleus, a mortal hero. This union produced Achilles, the protagonist of the Iliad and one of the greatest heroes of Greek myth.

                        This gets to be a torrid seduction by Tethis in a shape changed disguise (role reversal opportunity here). Hera becomes suspicious of Zeus - again - the seeming routine thwarting of one of Zeus' infidelities, becomes a bigger tail of apocalyptic reproduction.
                        I like the way you put that. And indeed it’s kind of stupid solution to marry Thetis to a Mortal, as he is... mortal...
                        Zeus don’t respect any marriage, it includes his marriage and any female creature marriage...
                        Even if Zeus respected married women, the other guy would die, and Thetis would became a widow, and again, Zeus would not respect the dead husband...
                        It all means that sooner or later Zeus would have the son that would overthrown him, as he did to his father...

                        Just another comment, Dodekatheon are called Theoi on 2e, first because dodekatheon means literally the Twelve (dodeka) gods (theo), referencing to the 12 seats in the Olympian Great Hall, but it included Demeter and not Hades, as he didn’t live in the Olympus. Theoi means gods in Greek, as Aesir means gods in old Norse and Kami means god in Japanese, and I suppose the rest of the names means the same... what is beautiful in my point of view.

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                        • #13
                          Yazata: The Zoroastrian end of the world says that there will be a fight between Ahura Mazda's forces, the Yazata against Angra Mainyu's forces, the Daeva.

                          The Zoroastrians had a savior figure called The Saoshyant who will be born from a maiden in a lake. He with the rest of the Yazata will lead the fight against Angra Mainyu's forces. The Yazatas will melt the metal from the mountains of the world. The molten metal will end up engulfing the world, killing all the wrongdoers while saving the righteous. The metal destroys even Angra Mainyu and his forces.

                          After the world is destroyed, Ahura Mazda cleanses the righteous of their darkness. They join the divine forever.


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                          • #14
                            Something I learned recently. Apparently Nidhogr survives Ragnarok. I thought this was interesting.

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                            • #15
                              The Aztec world endings aren't cyclical and the sacrifices aren't to the gods. The sacrifices are made to keep the current world running and if things go wrong the world ends. I think, if the current world ends then there won't be a seventh world, but that's mainly because the Gods are running out of things to sacrifice on their end to try again. Because, yeah, the Aztec gods aren't holding the world hostage and saying "Sacrifice to us or else we stop everything" the Aztec gods are basically saying "we can't keep this going on our own, we need you to do your part as well. We'll survive but we can't protect you if things end."

                              The Tuatha apparently don't really have an ending....they don't really have a beginning either.

                              I don't think the Kami or the Shen have prophesied endings either.

                              As to how this can be, I like one person's explanation of nested realities. Like, if the Aztec world ends, it will wreak great havoc on The World, but The World will still go on, just without the Aztec portion of it. It would become somehow, imperceptibly smaller.

                              Also, the Abrahamic ending is also supposed to be an intermediary step to returning to a purified state in the Kingdom of God, at least in some sects. The idea of it as a true end: nothing beyond this point; is only in some sects, not all.

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