'Once and Future' Speculations

[Nicolas Milioni]

I like a Hard Days Knight by Simon Green

[Kyman201]

I Hope they cover a decent "Returned Hero" setup and how said returned hero might have to restart at Hero rather than the demigod status they were at before..

I think there'll be rules for that come Demigod, since one of the things you can do is like "I am Gilgamesh, reborn!"

Heck, in Scion terms that'd be an Incarnate Scion.

Random guess: Arthur and company are originally Scions of various Welsh gods, but became so successful that they split off into their unique pantheon and started absorbing a few Heroes/DemiGods from a few others. Now they are Incarnating as a new generation of Heroes.

And Sir Kay is The World's version of Gordon Ramsay.

😂😂😂 I always liked Kay.

[No One of Consequence]

I Hope they cover a decent "Returned Hero" setup and how said returned hero might have to restart at Hero rather than the demigod status they were at before..

Random guess: Arthur and company are originally Scions of various Welsh gods, but became so successful that they split off into their unique pantheon and started absorbing a few Heroes/DemiGods from a few others. Now they are Incarnating as a new generation of Heroes.

And Sir Kay is The World's version of Gordon Ramsay.

[Lian]

I Hope they cover a decent "Returned Hero" setup and how said returned hero might have to restart at Hero rather than the demigod status they were at before..

I kind of want to play the reborn Mordred as this broody bishonen bad boy type character.

Definitely!

[Kyman201]

I seem to recall one of the Bayformers movies briefly touched on how Excalibur was actually Cybertronian Supertech, and Merlin's Magic was the result of knowing the Autobots eons ago.

And you know what, if they had made "King Arthur Prime" and embraced the inherent absurdity it probably would have been hilarious and a lot more fun than that movie ended up being.

But for something Scion-adjacent... I wager that I'll be getting a lot of use out of Once and Future along with Saints and Monsters. Like, the questing knights? Valorous Saints? Magic like whoa? Sign me the fuck up.

[Astromancer]

I kind of want to play the reborn Mordred as this broody bishonen bad boy type character.

Many scholars including Lucy A Paton (Whose "Fairy Mythology of Arthurian Romance" is still cited a century or more after publication) pointed out that Modred has multiple marks of being a hero figure. Paton speculated that the original figure on whom Modred is based was a major deity that the Church needed to discredit. It wasn't a conspiracy theory. She sought to analyze the connections between Arthurian Romance and the myths that shaped it.

[No One of Consequence]

I kind of want to play the reborn Mordred as this broody bishonen bad boy type character.

[glamourweaver]

I was really interested in where the Once and Future Queen comic from Dark Horse was going to go (including the potential queer poly relationship with Lance and Gwen), but it got canceled after like 2 issues.

[IanWatson]

I quite enjoyed Molly Cochran and Warren Murphy's The Forever King, which (appropriately for Scion) features a young boy who is the reincarnation of King Arthur.

[Astromancer]

What do people think about Nikolai Tolstoy's work on Merlin? The Quest for Merlin.

Amazon has it here. https://www.amazon.com/Quest-Merlin-...s=books&sr=1-3

[CTPhipps]

No more mentioning MZB. Period.

[Astromancer]

The woman (MZB) is dead. Let whatever evil she did be buried with her. As for her books, if there is any good in them, enjoy them if you like. And, as someone said up thread, let the money go to those done wrong.

Now, let's remember there is more than enough medieval Arthurian material, much of it with genuinely ancient matterials embedded in them, that discussing anything post-Mallory for any reason other than models for inclusion, is a waste of precious page space.

On with the speculations.

[CTPhipps]

At the risk of derailing the thread, why is everyone so certain she’s guilty? I don’t want to defend a child molester, but at the same time I don’t want to condemn someone without evidence either.

1:] Marion Zimmer Bradley confessed to knowing about her husband's pedophila and child rape during his trial.

2:] Her own daughter stated that Marion Zimmer Bradley sexually abused her. Moira Greyland also wrote a book on it ("The Last Closet") that talks about how MZB used her fans to help her husband abuse children.

As a note, there's no actual doubt about Marion Zimmer Bradley's guilt anymore than there is about David Eddings' child abuse. Please move on from this topic.

It is a very trigger-filled subject and should be dealt with only with the best of care.